Underwater Civilizations?

[ProtoSpore]

Just reading some of the information so far, it appears that 'fire' is a key to creating a civilization (or at least the early stage of one). Does this mean that we won't be able to creat an underwater civilization? I'm all about making an entire society of sea creatures if possible.

Off to go looking for more info. Thanks for the site :)

ProtoSpore

[ConradSpore]

A Good question, we will have to get HEAT to answer, or remember to ask at the 1st chat event.

[Mr.Heat]

Does this mean that we won't be able to creat an underwater civilization? I'm all about making an entire society of sea creatures if possible.



Obviously, there are things that i don't know...lol...i may know a little bit more than you guys, but i still don't know alot about it...

I heard that Will Mentioned that you'll have to go through land in some stage of the game....I still don't know if that means that you cannot create Sea-Based creatures....but iv'e seen some screenshots of underwater cities...so this is indeed a good question...



it appears that 'fire' is a key to creating a civilizatio


Based on what info? can you please quote?


Hope i helped :smile:

Heat

[ProtoSpore]

Quote:
it appears that 'fire' is a key to creating a civilizatio



Based on what info? can you please quote?


Hmmm, I looked at a lot of stuff yesterday, I'm not sure exactly where I got it from. I think maybe the gamespy interview; I recall something about needing a fire to move into 'village' mode (not sure of the exact title they give that section).

I also later on read a thread at another website (gamesteve or something like that I think) that made it sound as if you had to have 'land dwelling' beings to make them sencient. Keeping my finger crossed.

ProtoSpore

BTW I don't think I've been this excited about a game ever. Usually I don't start desiring games until a month before they are due out :D

[Mr.Heat]

I never heard about certain Fire importance, but it may be possible..




Heat

[XPDude]

Hopefully it's true, cause underwater civilisations sound really cool.

Fire is one of the objects you can "buy" in village mode. Apparently the things you buy for your villagers during this time period shape how they will develop mentally. So if you give them a spear rack for instance, they will probably be slightly more warlike. Fire, I'm not sure, maybe more scientific? At any rate, I doubt that not giving them fire would ruin your race, you just wouldn't benefit from whatever mental shaping that fire does.

[ProtoSpore]

Fire is one of the objects you can "buy" in village mode. Apparently the things you buy for your villagers during this time period shape how they will develop mentally. So if you give them a spear rack for instance, they will probably be slightly more warlike. Fire, I'm not sure, maybe more scientific? At any rate, I doubt that not giving them fire would ruin your race, you just wouldn't benefit from whatever mental shaping that fire does.

I like your theory, it makes sense. All though everything is conjecture now, it's fun to guess!

ProtoSpore

[imb1987]

This is a game so maybe you won't need to have fire involved in your civilization, maybe there will be something else.........

[imported_Sash]

GamingSteve mentions that fire is a key aspect of the game.

But if you remember GameSpy's article, you can plop down an entire city using the UFO, on a planet without an atmosphere, and the city will be enclosed in a dome. Maybe this is what will happen underwater. There'll be an enclosed dome in which your creatures live, and maybe they'll somehow find fire in there.

I have to agree with what that Guest said. If your creature does not find fire, because they live underwater (assuming the above theory is wrong), then maybe they just won't have the knowledge of species which have found fire.

Then again, if you fight underwater, fire's not going to be much use, is it? And then the underwater creatures will have the advantage...

[OverlordBill]

Spongebob had a fire underwater. I see no problem here.

(Really. If there's a way of doing it, it'll probably be done. Just don't expect any genius story holding together all of the underwater technology.)

[XPDude]

But then again, marine creatures should have a weakness towards fire ... or it will be unfair.

[Sapphire]

Hopefully it's true, cause underwater civilisations sound really cool.

yeah...they sound really awesome :smile:

[Dumdadum]

Hopefully it's true, cause underwater civilisations sound really cool.

yeah...they sound really awesome :smile:
Yea, I agree. It sounds so cool, I hope we'll be able to have them. :spin:

[Mr.Heat]

Are you sure that's underwater one? :rolleyes:




Heat

[imported_Sash]

http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore027.jpg

Soz, that's a land one. It's just the quality of the picture makes it look blue.

[Aphid]

http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore027.jpg

Soz, that's a land one. It's just the quality of the picture makes it look blue.

But... there are bubbles...

[Mr.Heat]

I don't see bubbles.... :confused:




Heat

[OverlordBill]

Those aren't bubbles. They're just parts of the buildings.

[Aphid]

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/5391/bubbles0tb.jpg

Bubbles :smile:

[Mr.Heat]

I'm not sure about the other ones, but that thing in the middle is the mouse cursor :laughing2:


Heat

[HCantu99]

I love this forum! :laughing2:

If we pretend we had the game and zoomed out, it might become clear. I think this is the city being attacked.
http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore017.jpg

Zooming out even further, it looks like the city is in the upper left hand corner - near water, but on land.
http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore019.jpg

But I could be wrong.

HCantu99

[Mr.Heat]

I love this forum! Laughing


Wer'e glad to hear that :D


If we pretend we had the game and zoomed out, it might become clear. I think this is the city being attacked.

This was actually Wtights' attack at the "aliens"


Heat

[HCantu99]

Was the image below the planet where Will Wright sent the spider creature? The one that went splat on the airless planet?

http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore020.jpg

I wonder just how modifiable a planet can be? I know you can somehow cause a volcano to form - I think. and you can apparently create some kind of an asteroid belt by blowing up a planet.

I wonder if there's any tie between volcanoe activity and atmosphere formation in the game?

Great start to what will no doubt be a great game! :D
HCantu99

[Nightshade]

It'll probablt just be a super beam. pzzfft!

[OverlordBill]

I seem to remember there being a multitude of ways to create an atmosphere, one being volcanoes. The other being several domed cities being placed on the planet, and then some machine can be built or activated that instantly terraforms the planet. I can't remember the other way, but I do think there was one...

[chocolatemax]

In the video I saw of will he said there can be water civilisations. All the pics were above ground, just bad quality. I recomend everyone watch the video, its really good.

quoted from a gamespy article: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/spore/616537p2.html

We discovered that you can evolve your entire species underwater. If you have hyper-intelligent dolphins, they can build whole cities under the sea. Interestingly, when these creatures colonize other planets, they can build domes around their cities filled with water.

[chocolatemax]

If we pretend we had the game and zoomed out, it might become clear. I think this is the city being attacked.
http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore017.jpg

HCantu99

ha ha ha, if you did mean that photo then you were pretty far off, it is two of will's creature mating in a nest. the yellow semi-circles are sound waves, and in the background is a tree and a pool of water! lol

And in the picture at the top of the page the top arrows are pointing to ariels or things of the buildings, the middle one is the cursur and the bottome one isn't anything! lol

hope I helped

[strillor]

I think Willy-boy said in an interwiew that there would be underwater creatures... So I guess no matter what they will be there... Then they must just discover something, on the same level as fire, but just underwater... ICE? :confused: :spin: I just don't know...

Because no matter what. Sea creatures should be aloud to evolve them self into scientic creatures, it's mean if it's just because fire can't be underwater... :(

[sporestalker]

you have a point it would take the fun out of free creation. You could maybe make a atlantis they may use a someing else like crystal for a tourch. Well im sure the devlopers at spore will find a way.

[Ferret99]

After watching the 30 miniute demonstration at one point when Will starts colonzing the moon if you saw the video he says the "bubble cities" can also be placed under water including places without any air :D, But that still does not answer the whole sea creature city underwater thing because you can only get the bubble city in the "space" phase so i am not sure :confused:. Only thing i am sure about is that you will be able to make cities with giant air bubbles underwater and on planets or moons without any air. :cool:

[FireMaker]

I recall hearing rumor at one point that underwater cities were abandoned by the design team. but that was rumor.

[Ferret99]

I recall hearing rumor at one point that underwater cities were abandoned by the design team. but that was rumor.

Well, that could be true but they already made the bubble cities just like in the demonstration so I don't see why they wouldn't simply make it so your able to put it underwater? :confused:

[Mirelly]

Actually underwater civilizations could never get into space. Think of the huge amount of extra mass in carrying all that water aloft! :eek:

(And before you gainsay me, if they didn't need to live in an aquarium why would they be living underwater? If you breathe air live above the water. If you breathe water, then space travel is a non-starter ....) Oh I don't know though, I could think of a zillion reasons why that is wrong, but none of them are funny.

[ManagerJosh]

Mass is all relative in space.

[Mirelly]

Mass is all relative in space.

But only when you get there ... while your feet are still stuck to the ground that mass is a real drag, man. :cool:

[Ferret99]

Actually underwater civilizations could never get into space. Think of the huge amount of extra mass in carrying all that water aloft! :eek:

(And before you gainsay me, if they didn't need to live in an aquarium why would they be living underwater? If you breathe air live above the water. If you breathe water, then space travel is a non-starter ....) Oh I don't know though, I could think of a zillion reasons why that is wrong, but none of them are funny.

Well... I dont see why you would bring all that water to space, but anyway.. I was referring to the colonies on the planets/moons that did not have a livable enviroment lets say such as air on the planet so they made those bubble colonies basiclly its a city inside of a giant bubble.. so as i was saying if they can make cities inside of bubbles for a livable enviroment with air then why couldn't they put that in the ocean?
Example:
Colony on moon "Theres no air here lets make a giant bubble"= Giant Dry Bubble with air and a city inside :)
Example 2 (under water):
Hm theres all this water.. and we can't breath here! so lets make a City with air and no water to douse fires inside a bubble

[Mirelly]

Ah, yes. Of course I thought of that interpretation and hoped no-one would mention it. It makes perfect sense the way you describe it, Ferret. Lets throw all physics out the window ... after all Charles Darwin and all biology has been consigned to the trashcan. Maybe we can move on and dump mathematics as well.

In the Spore universe pi=3 and the square root of 2=1.5 and the square root of minus 1 is -(pi/pi squared). And just to boggle the pedants all prime numbers are oxymoronically divisible by the Magic Spore Number which is
INT(INT(Will Wrights age/pi)/MOD(Will Wrights age/pi)).

One can discuss a game like Spore in many ways, but taking it too seriously at the stage where all development, bar final debugging, is complete is somewhat nerdy, don't you think?

I mean wouldn't underwater civilisations be dreadfully vulnerable to orbital attack? Whether the domes were pressurised or built to resist the hydrostatic pressure so that those inside could live at ambient sea-level pressure (a fanciful notion) a single 100 kilo bolt of spent uranium dropped from orbit at solar escape velocity would reach sea level with enough energy either to penetrate miles of ocean with enough mass and kinetic energy remaining to pierce the bubble with instantly fatal consequences, or with a different design just belly flop on the surface and rely on the resulting surface explosion to deliver the shock wave to the dome.

I think you'd better think it out again. Unless Spore is built to be unhackable, some genius will create the hack needed to deploy such weapons if underwater domes are a possibility.

Note: domes in a vacuum are far less vulnerable. With a maximum pressure gradient of only 1 atmosphere, a dome needs only little strength so that so-called explosive decompression is not immediately catastophic for the entire population. In a sufficiently large dome, it would even be possible to repair the hole before all the atmosphere escaped ... or at least the population would have time to get into pressure suits. On the other hand underwater domes would fill in seconds ... hardly time to bend over and kiss your arse goodbye.