how difficult will it be to "create"???

[strillor]

I'm already picturing my creature, my perfect "yokin" as somebody may have heard. :spin: .

But I have trouble drawing my creature down on paper! :(

And now I just found that thougght that what if ,I mean,,, with all those details,, It'll be hard to create them as well??????????? :(
What if I can't create my Yokin, because I don't know how to "put all the parts" together?!?!?

[Mr.Heat]

If youv'e watched GDC video, it has shown that you have alot of built in tools that will let you design you creatures the way you want to...it is almost unlimited...so...yeah, i think you can create you "perfect" creature with a bit of messing with the tools....




Heat

[strillor]

Thank you, I hope you are right...

I have watched the video, and I think it looks a bit complicated, with all the parts, and that "stretching" and all that... But again I hope you are right :spin:

[Mr.Heat]

In my opinion, it won't get compliacted if your character isn't meant to be complicated, there will be certain face,body parts, body, and color "channels" (Group of pre-made stuff) that can be used and modified a little bit by you so you get the wanted result....but if you want to be SO precise, you can go on and make it this way....it'll just take more time, how much time? depends how much your'e willing to spend when designing a creature..


Hope that helped
Heat

[chocolatemax]

I think thats the brilliant thing about the creator, is that its so easily used. On the video he edited his creature by simply clicking and dragging to change the body and rolling the mouse wheel to make things bigger or smaller. And adding legs and arms etc. he just chose which one he wanted, clicked it on the body, the computer made the skin work and he just dragged the shape a bit to make it better, added some feet and he was done. So from what I've read and seen I think its going to be quick and easy, will said that the tools are simple but powerful.

[strillor]

hmm,,, YAH..

I guess I just had some minutes to think about spore, and started to panic about such a small thing..

I mean it would be a bit sad if I couldn't create my "dream monster" :laughing2:

[10-Neon]

Plus, the game might not render its movement the same way the creator imagined their creature to move.

...I wonder if you can make creatures that roll?

[strillor]

I bet you can :laughing2:

I mean, in the GDC video, he shows that no matter what your creature will always/or at least ALMOST always, the creature will be able to move, if you make it possible for it :confused:

[Astrodog]

I can already picture my Cerecorn in the editor...He IS original, but I've had him for a looooong time, and I always wished I could play as him...THANK YOU FOR SPORE. :love:

[just stoppin by]

Do you have to have legs? What if I wanted to create a snake or wormlike creature, would that be possible? :confused:

[leech10]

Yes, you do not need to have legs on your creature, because in the video Will pulled the fins off of his creature and he could have exited the editor when it had no legs or fins, he just didn't do so.

Picture of legless creature in editor: http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore007.jpg

[Astrodog]

I wonder if you can put wings on your creature, but just make them ornamental? :shy: That's the way I planned them on my Cerecorn, anyway.

[leech10]

You could probably just make them too small to actually allow the creature to fly.

[gg2112]

If youv'e watched GDC video, it has shown that you have alot of built in tools that will let you design you creatures the way you want to...it is almost unlimited...so...yeah, i think you can create you "perfect" creature with a bit of messing with the tools....




Heat

Hey, just out of pure curiousity, do you think it would be possible to create a creature that will have the abilities to swim, walk on land, climb trees, fly, and maybe even more? Or will I have to find this out on my own once I get the game? :D

Oh and also, will there be an option to make a creature waterproof, fireproof, and more? Or will it resist most things/be destroyed by certain things automatically? Or what? :shy: Thanks for reading... Please reply...

[K.Kraden]

Oh and also, will there be an option to make a creature waterproof, fireproof, and more? Or will it resist most things/be destroyed by certain things automatically?

That's what incredibly dense armor is for, m'boy! Once you reach the top you won't need fancy heat resistant skin, you'll be able to build it.

Considering how incredibly deep the editor is I wouldn't doubt it, though.

[gg2112]

Okay, thanks K.Kraden... Also, isn't it that you can only add really advanced stuff to your evolving species if you have enough points? Would this mean that if creatures can actually have fancy heat resistant skin, you would need lots of points for that -- unless it would be a basic or medium part of your creature, of course? Or is it that, when evolving your creature, you the creator can add anything at all that you want, any type of brain, any type of techno-laser-gadget arms or heat vision or whatever...

Er... Nevermind... I don't know what I am asking anymore. Sorry for piling you with questions... I am just so very interested in this new Spore game... :D

[K.Kraden]

While robots are confirmed, we don't yet know if you can add cybernetic parts to a creature. Also, once you get into the tribal and city stages (where you would be learning how to put together laser death rays), the evolution of your race is already complete so no, you will not be able to put guns on your creatures during evolution stages. HOWEVER, once you get past the UFO and interstellar stage, and enter the macro stage (the largest and last stage in the game), you unlock all the abilities of all the previous stages. You will be able to go back and genetically alter your race, and maybe add cybernetics or weaponry to them. However, again, this hasn't really been 100% confirmed, though I think it's pretty likely.

[gg2112]

Hey, cool, thank you K! 8-) I think that answered what I was asking! Though, seriously, I completely forget what I was trying to ask anyway, but your information is so helpful. Thanks again. :tongue:

P.S. :sporerules:

[Cerebral Stasis]

Yes, you do not need to have legs on your creature, because in the video Will pulled the fins off of his creature and he could have exited the editor when it had no legs or fins, he just didn't do so.

Picture of legless creature in editor: http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore007.jpg
Keep in mind, however, at the point indicated in that image, the creature still has a tail fin (and thus could swim like an eel). However, considering the way Maxis works, I'm pretty sure they'll add the ability to build creatures without all the parts (i.e. no limbs at all), although I'm not sure how they would then handle parts in which grasping is necessary (i.e. the picking up of spears).

One thing that can be said about this computer-generated animation scheme, at least (excluding the eating/mating scenes), the creatures don't seem to have any clipping problems (clipping meaning that a part of their body seems to sink into or go through another solid object, like how one seems to go through another in the mating scene).

[K.Kraden]

Actually, cere, if you watch closely those clipping problems during mating and eating are very brief, and only after an impact, IE, they 'squish together' a couple of inches then go back apart in the span of about a second. We must remember that these creatures are creatures, and as such are not made of solid diamond. I think this 'clipping' looks more realistic, because it looks like their bodies are pressing together in the mating part, and also like the little hoppy dude is really getting stabbed during the fighting. In this case I think the 'clipping' is a good thing.

[Cerebral Stasis]

That's possible, except, in the case of the mating, the foreleg would have actually gone THROUGH the mate in order for him to be standing over (her) the way (he) was. As for the eating scene, I wasn't referring to the tail attack, but more the part where he actually eats the creature; his mouth seems to go inside the creature itself, without leaving any visible mark (I know, it's for simplicity's sake, but the mouth wouldn't have to clip the body, although I suppose it could help one imagine that he's really "taking a chunk" out of the creature).

For the most part, however, it seems to be pretty well calculated (for example, the creature, once killed, hung onto his head until falling off, although I doubt the game has any built-in ragdoll/physics engines, aside from that which determine the way creatures move), since it didn't seem to clip the creature's head.

[Mr.Heat]

although I doubt the game has any built-in ragdoll/physics engines, aside from that which determine the way creatures move


I wouldn't agree with that....i think that Spore will actually concentrate on making the whole movement aspect detailed and smooth, i think they will indeed invest in the movement, even with dead creatures, and planets too :spin:





Heat

[Cerebral Stasis]

I meant that it seemed all the animations/physics that were seen aren't using the conventional physics engine (like one sees in Half-Life 2, for example). It will probably all be calculated on-the-fly.

[gg2112]

Excuse me if I am interrupting, but... Still wondering about this:


Hey, just out of pure curiousity, do you think it would be possible to create a creature that will have the abilities to swim, walk on land, climb trees, fly, and maybe even more?

And when I said this, I meant, like, have a webbed-footed, flying monkey-frog type of thing... You know, one creature that is able to do (almost) EVERYTHING. Anyone think this'll be possible? :rolleyes:

[leech10]

Excuse me if I am interrupting, but... Still wondering about this:


Hey, just out of pure curiousity, do you think it would be possible to create a creature that will have the abilities to swim, walk on land, climb trees, fly, and maybe even more?

And when I said this, I meant, like, have a webbed-footed, flying monkey-frog type of thing... You know, one creature that is able to do (almost) EVERYTHING. Anyone think this'll be possible? :rolleyes:

You could probably just put webbed feet, wings, and clawed hands on it and it might be able to do that.

All in one evolution step? :shy:

[gg2112]

Dang, thought I was logged in again. :rolleyes: Well, so all in one step, then?

[leech10]

I don't know about all in one step, but just continue adding stuff until you have what you want.

[i should join]

it always cracks me up during the mating sequence when the main character walks over the other and takes its head with it, then it snaps back. I love ragdoll affects :love:

http://www.snootyspore.com/pics/spore017.jpg

[why]

how come I cant post the above under my topic of choice?

[Mr.Heat]

how come I cant post the above under my topic of choice?

If you mean a new topic, you have to press the button in the bottom left, and the "post reply" button...


Now back on topic, if you have further questions register and PM me.

Heat

[gg2112]

I don't know about all in one step, but just continue adding stuff until you have what you want.

OK... thanks. 8-) Everyone here is so helpful, I am really glad I joined these forums -- as opposed to other Spore forums. :smile:

P.S. Oh! Do you know how many steps that would take, then? And what might happen to your species before you finish all the changes? ... :laughing2:

[Cerebral Stasis]

From what I've heard, it sound like there will be as many steps as you want; it just lasts until you finally complete the "main goal" of that species level (of course, I could be wrong).

[leech10]

And the main goal of that level would be to evolve your creature's brain. If you don't want to go on, then don't evolve the brain.

[Cerebral Stasis]

That seems the most probable. WW really never hinted to what the goal of the cell-stage would be, but for the village stage, the idea is to get a better hut, then we don't really know the true goal for the city and civ stages, but I'm assuming it's mostly just about research (in the civ stage, anyway), and then after that, it's about discovery and colonization.

[gg2112]

Cool, OK. :coolguy: Maybe when you find out more info on the goals you could post them here? Unless, of course, it would be considered off topic in this thread. :rolleyes: Still, thanks, that's great info.

[K.Kraden]

That seems the most probable. WW really never hinted to what the goal of the cell-stage would be, but for the village stage, the idea is to get a better hut, then we don't really know the true goal for the city and civ stages, but I'm assuming it's mostly just about research (in the civ stage, anyway), and then after that, it's about discovery and colonization.

Well, the cell stage isn't really its own stage, it's actually a part of the evolution phase. As such, your goal is to eat smaller creatures, gain strength, and grow so you can eat larger creatures to further your evolution.

[Cerebral Stasis]

In the video, WW mentioned how the view will gradually "zoom out", but after his first evolutionary stage (as a single cell), I didn't notice any real change (by the way, wouldn't it make more sense if his cell would split instead of laying an egg, or is it not a cell but just a very small organism?), so will the change to 3D be a sudden jump, or a gradual thing?

[leech10]

I think it was a very small creature because it had an odd shape for a cell, and I think it will just jump to the 3D view once your creature grows enough.

[gg2112]

Actually I was thinking it would be a little more gradual-jumpy. :laughing2: Well, hmm, I wonder if these creatures will have birthdays? :party: Even if not, I think it'd be cute to have a little birthday tune play when your first creature evolves, and have the camera quickly zoom out a little to only see your creature on the screen. :smile:

(And after automatically zooming out to 3D mode, I'm very sure you can manually zoom in & out from there. But can you manually zoom in and out from the Pacman stage? :rolleyes: ...If so, then the camera would most likely quickly zoom in to focus on your evolving creature, like a sudden jump than more of a gradual zoom.)

[Flank57]

Sorry about going off topic here but, has anyone ever noticed that in the video it shows little bugs flying around, ones that are of earth, like dragonflies for instance (you can tell because one flies right through the screen.) Do you think those are standard or customiseable?

[Mr.Heat]

Sorry about going off topic here but, has anyone ever noticed that in the video it shows little bugs flying around, ones that are of earth, like dragonflies for instance (you can tell because one flies right through the screen.) Do you think those are standard or customiseable?


Ummm...i'd say neither. i think they're not customisable, yet some plantes will have different kinds of these flies...




Heat

[gg2112]

I didn't notice them, but I do have two questions... Will the creatures be able to eat some/all insects? And will there also be little uncustomizable & unexpected creatures in an underwater world? ...Thanks.

[maxis]

strillor -

if you tell me how it looks in your mind i cud possibly try and draw it 4 u....