View Full Version : September 11, 2002
ManagerJosh
09-10-2002, 11:29 AM
It has been one year since the attack on America. Post thoughts and what you plan to do on this day.
I plan to pray for this nation and remember the 3,000 souls lost on that day.
ManagerJosh
09-13-2002, 11:21 AM
I can't believe no one commented here... :-X
LordBrain515
09-13-2002, 06:50 PM
To tell you the truth, I don't really have that many feelings about September 11th. I'm sad that all of those people died, but I can't really relate it to me. I'm just glad it's pretty much over.
ManagerJosh
09-13-2002, 10:02 PM
It is never over James :(
The incident is frozen in our minds forever. Every September 11th, I'll have chills remembering the day when America was Attacked...
LordBrain515
09-14-2002, 06:29 AM
The reason I might not have such strong feelings about it is the fact that I didn't see it on TV as it was happening. I was at school and the only thing they told us was that a plane had crashed in New York. Everyone was like, so. Planes have crashed before and they didn't announced it on the PA system. At lunch, a lot of kids left school (we have an open-campus). When my friend got back, she told me about it because she heard it on the radio. It wasn't until I got home from school that I was able to actualy see anything about it.
ManagerJosh
09-14-2002, 08:42 AM
Oic....how much emotion is in that? I watched it live as the two towers fell burying many more innocent lives...
LordBrain515
09-14-2002, 11:26 AM
That's probably why
you might want to edit "asss" I think you meant as :)
LordBrain515
09-14-2002, 11:27 AM
Never mind, I fixed it for you. I forgot I had that ability
sam_lawrence
09-17-2002, 02:22 AM
Well the 9-11 attacks were horrible.... but why does no one ever talk about the 6000 or so innocent ppl that were bombed in Afganistan?
ManagerJosh
09-17-2002, 02:23 AM
I think it is the viewpoint...I mean we lost something that represents America.
FaeLuna
09-17-2002, 03:44 AM
What I did: I lit a virtual candle in my grandmother's name on one of the sites doing a memorial to those lost. My grandma died September 6, just in time to miss it, and part of me is glad she never had to see this. I knew she would care though which is why I lit the candle in her name. I cried when I filled out her location: Heaven.
ManagerJosh
09-17-2002, 06:32 AM
:sob:
sam_lawrence
09-17-2002, 08:07 PM
Awwwee, thats so sweet *sob*
Helén
09-21-2002, 01:32 PM
I saw it on TV-news.. Thought first it was a bad movie on a weird hour. It wasn't many years since Estonia sank and almost 1000 ppl died in the waters between Sweden and Estland.. Attacked? sabotaged? noone knows yet.. Everyone is blaming everyone else..
All those ppl that get injured and killed in suicideattacks around the world?
All the ppl killed by Hitler and Mussolini? There's no end of the bad things.
Us had so far not been attacked, and they knew exactly how to get most attention, they took the symbols..
Wherever such things happens we should all light a candle, say a pray or whatever we do to remember those who dies.
Understanding and compassion is what this world needs, no matter who it concerns. God created us ALL to be equal. Unfortunately some ppl uses that to oppress others in the name of God. And that goes for ALL religions. There are always some religious leaders that is suppressive.
I believe the majority of mankind basically is good. It's the rest, the few,unforunately charismatic, nutty ones that causes the mayhems. The few you can find everywhere, they're spread all over.
Let's sept 11 unite us all, no matter where we live, what race or religion we belong to in an effort to create peaceful bonds all over this planet. I think that's what I want to do in order to honour all ppl that suffered from attacks and suppression, Let the memorys of WW II strengthen that bond of peace and friendship.
Let's begin here in the world of Maxisfans and let us spread the word of understanding and willingness to listen beyond.
Peace not war, hate and revenge.
amen to that.
for a religous note. to the suidide bombers supposedly do it the name of their god, i saw on 48 hours with Peter Gennings (spelling?) that it is actually against their religion to comit suicide. I'm speakin of the muslims of course.
ManagerJosh
09-21-2002, 01:47 PM
Technically they aren't muslim. It has been repeately said that but those terrorists call themselves Muslims, which they really aren't.
Helén
09-21-2002, 02:01 PM
Right both of you. I have a friend who actually read the Koran (muslim bible) out of curiosity, and there are nothing about these sort of things. What I mean is that these fanatics is doing it in the name of God, Allah or whatever..
And whereever these fanatics are , the strongest weapon we have is to unite and work for understanding. That's my belief is the key to contradict the mayhem.
Understanding is for me composed of 3 things. the actual communication, the affection for people that comes from the communication and the realityfactor.. how real we can make our viewpoints for the other person.
We can understand things without necessary think it's the thing we ourselves want or will live by.. Live and let Live... with understanding comes acceptance.. and the need of violence and oppression fades away.
true.... The speach Micheal J. Fox gave in Independence Day comes to mind. it sort of applies, at least what i remember.
ManagerJosh
09-21-2002, 02:40 PM
Amen to that Nina. More understanding and less hate.
Helén
09-21-2002, 03:07 PM
:classic::classic::classic::classic::classic:
HUGS
:classic::classic::classic::classic::classic:
timz2rules
09-22-2002, 12:06 AM
late on this i know, but, it is very sad that it happened, it hurt to see it at school, watching them fall *shakes his head in disgust* May they all be With God now, all except the people who flew the planes...
God Bless The United States!
United We Stand, Dived We Fall...
Helén
09-22-2002, 12:32 AM
Patriotic right tim?
That's good.
But we have to realize that we're all equal no matter where we live. We are all human beings... we all have the same basic needs for love, companjonship and understanding, besides the basics as food and clothes.
hugs tim
timz2rules
09-22-2002, 12:42 AM
well, what comes into effect, (like most Americans did i'm sure) that in Christianity, its a sin to commit suicide, am i wrong? but in whatever they belive in, its a gateway to heaven. Kind of sick but its true, it all depends on your religion, most people ignored the terrorists...and only looked at on their own, adding that makes a big diffrence, and yes, i'm patrotic when i have to be :P
Helén
09-22-2002, 03:41 AM
Well they say that, but as far as I know the koran never approves of suicide, and of course, we all are patriots when we need to. Who isn't?
It's unfortunate these guys think that's a gateeway to heaven.. theire leaders has once more twisted their religion to suite selfish powerthinking. Remember these guys learned theire religion before they could read. All they have is hearsay...
timz2rules
09-22-2002, 09:21 PM
thier called something specail, i'll write it in another post, but its where their religon is right, and everyone else's is wrong...and i can think of a few people who aren't patriotc :P
ManagerJosh
09-22-2002, 10:34 PM
Basically what happens is they are brainwashed. You tell them "jump" and they will reply "how high?"
timz2rules
09-22-2002, 11:28 PM
how high and how far josh, and i think their called zeolites or something like that, something that starts with zeo...
Helén
09-22-2002, 11:35 PM
Mmmmm.. it's really scary how some people have the power to program others.
Power over minds are scary, because it's so easy to use it in suppressive ways.
timz2rules
09-22-2002, 11:48 PM
it is...but then again, Bush trys to do it everyday to us Americans :D...anyhoo, back on subject, their in war now with others, and they have been in war since prehistory...maybe thats the way they'll always be...
Helén
09-23-2002, 12:02 AM
*sighes* Probably to true..
I wish it wasn't...
(hands out a rose for peace)
timz2rules
09-23-2002, 12:12 AM
its a rose, i thought it was something else...anyway...can i make a dedication...*puts down his 9-11 silver dollar* to all the people who lost their lives on 9-11...*lowers his head* now we may goto war with someone else...i may start a new post on this...
ManagerJosh
09-23-2002, 03:04 AM
Any screenshots? :D
timz2rules
09-23-2002, 09:21 PM
what, you want me to get a pic of my coin now josh? cause i will...just gimmie a day or so, but yeah, anyway, this isn't about that :P what are the after effects of 9-11?
ManagerJosh
09-23-2002, 10:53 PM
Erm, no more landmark on lower manhattan :(
timz2rules
09-24-2002, 04:56 PM
its painted josh, no landmarks, its for the Firefighters and Police...
Helén
09-25-2002, 10:32 PM
I have realtives in NY. Never met them.
But if I ever can afford go to USA I will visit that place and light a candle for all innocent people who always get caught in the middle.
That is a promise!
timz2rules
09-26-2002, 08:27 PM
thats really sweet nina...*gives nina a big huge warm hug* my family moved out of NY, kinda glad they did now...
Helén
09-26-2002, 09:55 PM
Of course you are Tim..
Thanks for the hug ( gives you one in return) but I'm not really sweet.. I'm just saying what I think. I can be very "ebil".... *grins*
Lol. Love you guys
timz2rules
09-26-2002, 09:58 PM
lol nina? ebil? thats hard to imagine...
Helén
09-26-2002, 10:01 PM
Naaahhh. Not at all actually.
Just picture a longeared bunny with horns
timz2rules
09-26-2002, 10:05 PM
*pictures that* :bunny: >:) hmm...
Helén
09-27-2002, 08:16 PM
Muahahahahaha!
:bunny::bunny::bunny:
timz2rules
09-27-2002, 08:37 PM
thats just a strange image to see...a bunny with horns...
Helén
09-27-2002, 08:53 PM
Lol
Yep yep.. Must be... Lol
ManagerJosh
09-27-2002, 10:17 PM
Ô¿Ô'
Helén
09-28-2002, 12:10 AM
LOL
timz2rules
09-29-2002, 05:51 PM
even stranger....
Helén
09-30-2002, 12:53 PM
But of course!!!
hop hop hop
*giggles*
timz2rules
10-01-2002, 01:55 PM
*shakes his head*
Helén
10-01-2002, 02:05 PM
LOL!!!
:bunny: :bunny: :bunny: :bunny:
hops away giggeling
timz2rules
10-01-2002, 02:14 PM
ebil hyper people, besides, this post is for Sept. 11 not bunnies with horns...*Shakes his head*
Helén
10-01-2002, 02:23 PM
LOL
Can't help it luv...
Jokes aside. I've made my statement and a promise. And I stick to it. If I ever come to NY....
*hands out peaceflowers to everyone*
timz2rules
10-01-2002, 02:25 PM
*sets down a candel and lights it* May God Save Us From Ourselves...
Helén
10-01-2002, 03:13 PM
LOL yes!!!
Funness and true...
timz2rules
10-02-2002, 07:53 PM
well i mean think about that...
Helén
10-02-2002, 07:56 PM
You are right Tim.
*gives you a big hug*
:)
timz2rules
10-02-2002, 07:57 PM
i don't like it when i'm right on things like this...:(
Helén
10-02-2002, 08:00 PM
aww Tim!
I know what you mean... *sighes*
*gives Tim a big hug*
you seem to need it...
:)
timz2rules
10-02-2002, 08:04 PM
i need mental help :p
Helén
10-04-2002, 01:31 AM
Naah you don't!!!! You're perfectly sane. If you weren't where would I be then.... probably lovked up in hospital for life... and that's no funness... ;)
:classic: But i feel just fine, so I don't think any of us need any very long-sleeved white jackets. you know. those that is buttoned in the back... ;)
*hops away to the next thread*
lewdini
10-04-2002, 01:45 AM
This thread seems to have lost its orignal purpose
Helén
10-04-2002, 02:50 AM
Sort of Lew. But to dwell in the same over and over again wouldn't be accurate to do. Life does go on after all and so are these threads.
But if you look along the latest posts you'll find a serious tone in them after all..
But you might be right. It 's maybe time to close this thread amd let it rest in peace.
My love and best wishes to all of you ...
and may there one day, after all, be peace on earth
*lightning a candle for peace*
lewdini
10-04-2002, 03:06 AM
Well....According to star trek....in 2063 humanity will be united
Helén
10-05-2002, 05:21 AM
Let's hope before that Lew...
lewdini
10-05-2002, 05:46 PM
Well...Then can someone invent warp travel earlier??
ManagerJosh
10-05-2002, 09:35 PM
yes, but when we invent Warp Travel, we would have discovered the Vulcan race :D
lewdini
10-06-2002, 03:20 AM
The vulcans were in our system when we launch our first warp flight...so maybe if we do it now...then it might be the klingons??
timz2rules
10-06-2002, 09:40 PM
if it takes that long lew, there may be no human race to unite :( besides, maybe the kilngons can visit our space station??
lewdini
10-09-2002, 12:50 AM
uhhh!!! Klingons!!!
ManagerJosh
10-09-2002, 01:29 PM
They will destroy the space station first........
Helén
10-10-2002, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by timz2rules
if it takes that long lew, there may be no human race to unite :( besides, maybe the kilngons can visit our space station??
You're right Tim.
The human race and this planet must be our main concern or there will be no time warp at all..
*pats Tim's cheek*
lewdini
10-10-2002, 10:58 PM
what about the borg???
Helén
10-10-2002, 11:22 PM
Good question Lew
ManagerJosh
10-10-2002, 11:57 PM
I don't wanna even think about that...
Helén
10-11-2002, 04:00 AM
That didn't sound good Josh.
*hides from the world*
timz2rules
10-12-2002, 07:51 PM
*looks at some of his C&C games* well...in these...the world goes to war and well, it becomes bad and in this game...*looks at WW3* the world goes to war over the oil...Iraq, Russia, and the USA are the only ones left...and its a neuclear war...
There are no winners in war...only loosers, and those loosers, are the human race.
Only history can determine the winner in a war.
-both unknown
ManagerJosh
10-12-2002, 10:54 PM
Erm, let's see...Revelations says a person will take over the world, brings it to its knees for 7 long years and there will be torture and suffering...
Need I say more?
timz2rules
10-13-2002, 12:46 AM
erm...i hope to be dead when that happens...that just doesn't sound fun...
slimsim
10-13-2002, 06:28 AM
my teacher could take over the world,she yells at us for somthing we didnt do "you knocked that off the bulleten board!now pick it up and go to the office!"
timz2rules
10-13-2002, 08:33 AM
we have a teacher here who could do it too, much for te same reasons slim...
timz2rules
10-13-2002, 08:34 AM
we have a teacher here who could do it too, much for the same reasons slim...
Helén
10-14-2002, 02:32 AM
I just can't understand those people who want power for the sake of having power!!??!! :( I can't imagine how a person can be. I think that if you want poser you want it for a good reason - like helping or really making things better. But unfortunately I've found that most politicians, Top directors etc. want the power to earn money for themselves or to dominate others.
You can never ever please "them all" or give everybody what they mostly need/want.. but you can try so your best. Not for the sake of having the power but for the sake of making this planet a better place. :)
That's what I think anyway ... ;)
timz2rules
10-15-2002, 02:35 PM
heh, me and my friend we're talking about Bush...see if this sounds intresting and sort of true to you...:
"Yeah you knowticed how bush was loosing popularity and then all of a sudden the planes hit...?" said Tim. "Yeah and his daddy started a war so now he has to," said Jeremy. "Yeah i'll bet thats what happens, he need support, he got it, and guess whos the fall guy...?" said Tim.
not sure if this quote is right or wrong...but...i think its cool...
A soldier died in battle and went to heaven, when he got to the gates he said, I have already been to hell. --Theodore Rosevelt, D-Day
lewdini
10-15-2002, 08:59 PM
The fight with Afganistan was still acceptable...but it seems Bush just wants to fight iraq so he is seen in a light as a hero
Helén
10-16-2002, 12:15 AM
Roosevelts statement is very true I think. War is hell itself.
timz2rules
10-16-2002, 11:38 PM
they we're very powerful too...
Helén
10-17-2002, 04:32 AM
Mmm.. Roosevelt is one of the best US ever had I think :)
chatterbox
10-17-2002, 11:06 AM
what r u guys talking bout cause i dont want to look though all u guys have writin!!!!
Helén
10-17-2002, 05:42 PM
War and peace chatter - and it started with sptember 11..
Serious matters in itself... but well worth to debate. :)
timz2rules
10-17-2002, 07:26 PM
War and Peace in general...i started something on the Us's involvement and future plans from what i've heard...
Helén
10-17-2002, 10:17 PM
Mmm.. But here there's only peace :classic::classic:
*hands out tulips to everyone*
whats the thread you started called tim?
I personally think sept 11 was pointless for the suiciders... not only willl they go to hell in their religon, but all they managed to do was kill thousands of innocent people (not that that ins't bad), when if they were goin to really really hurt ameraica (lookin at this from a different point of veiw than mine) they should aimed for the main people in america. i'm sure they even killed some people that believed in the same religon that they claimed they believed in.how do you think they would feel when they were to hear that? and after wards, there were quite a few of hate crimes against muslims and people of middle eastern decent. all they managed to do was unite the US, cause people that believe in the same religon as they did pain and grief, and provoke attacks on afghanistan (spelling?) causing more innocents (and people that again believe in the same religon as they do) pain and greif and death. sorry if i some how confuse some people. just let me know and i will try to explain (its happened before on here), and sorry for the late response to the initial topic about this (just now read the whole thing). Also, i personally think it is amazing that people from all round the world united with the US and have all responded with feelings of pain and sorrow (sort of) for what happened. THANKS ALL!! Love ya'll, young and old, black and white (and in between), From Asian to Australian to Swedish, to European. Also sorry if i made any one rethink about sept 11... i think one more thing on this extensive post....
I saw it happen at first when i got up i was confused cause my dad didn't normally have the tv on. i saw a replay of the first plane hit the first tower... at first i just couldn't believe it... i continued that morning as usual as i could, after seeing the second plane hit, then i am pretty sure i saw the first tower fall. and i think i was at school when the second one fell. the finer points of that morning will probably be engraved on my mind (as my history teacher says) till the day i die. For me, i am some how able to gain a little strength and resolve when i think about it. yet i also become confused at why some one would do such a stupid and horrid act.
*thinks, man the weirdest things go thru my mind at the weirdest times, i just thought of a joke...*
Toodles for now people, my fellow Americans (and those that stand with USA), my friends, my brothers and sisters!
God bless America!
God bless the World!
God bless everyone around the world!
man! i right a lot and dont even mean, its like i just bable on and on.......
Helén
10-19-2002, 07:53 AM
Oh Jake! :)
well I think I got your point anyway. :) We all got taken about what happened.
And especially because of that horrible, evil deed.. all should think at least 10 times over about war and revenge. It's a historical fact that "violence feeds vilolence" (Swedish saying anyway)
Feelings of wanting revenge, outrage etcetera over such things are normal and understandable. That's the feeling every human being gets when they think they have been the target for injustice, violence, death and abuse..
But to meet such violence with war.. no I don't believe in that. it can easily end up with a total disaster for the whole world.
I do believe in putting the men behind such deed to justice. That's a way to rise above the level of abusing, supressing and destroying.
I feel for all innocent people everywhere on our planet. It's always those who get caught in the middle and suffers the most.
And in that case i give a d*** about what leaders around the world say! because as soon as they speak about "smart bombs" ets... they are just trying to justify destruction. I don't buy it anymore.
Martin Luther King held a speech once: "I have a dream". That was not only about racial matters. It's was mainly about world peace. For me. Martin Luther King is one of the greatest leaders there ever been and ever will be.....
That's the kind of leaders we shall seek... that's the kind of people this world needs...
*gives everyone that wants it a big hug*
true.....true.... violence begets violence.
I am in complete agreement.
*takes the hug and gives one back*
Helén
10-19-2002, 03:47 PM
*smiiiiiiles* Thanks Jake.
ManagerJosh
10-19-2002, 05:19 PM
Violence also begs for attention
Helén
10-19-2002, 05:23 PM
yes.. and unfortunaletly it gets a great deal of it too!. Less attention to violence might be a way to "beat" it..
ManagerJosh
10-19-2002, 10:03 PM
too bad that never happens Nina. The media loves this stuff.
Helén
10-19-2002, 10:07 PM
Mmm.. You're right Josh. *sighes*
maybe i should go for a career change... i just can't see it now.... Jake, the governer (or president or whatever) that changed politcal veiws as we know them now..... nah, dont think so. i'll stick to teaching annoying high schoolers that will piss me off, then amaze me.
Helén
10-19-2002, 10:14 PM
Lol Jake. Going for a teachers carreer? :) But that's good! Good teachers are always needed for. :)
ManagerJosh
10-19-2002, 11:05 PM
how about Jake the Jersey Maker :D
Helén
10-20-2002, 08:47 AM
Lol Josh!
But seriously Jake. I think you would be a very good teacher actually. :classic: ;) :classic: If that's what you feel for - go for it!
You always will have my best wishes.. *hugs*
Jersey maker? nah. Jersey shredder maybe but not maker. ;)
timz2rules
10-20-2002, 11:09 AM
hey! i'm a highschooler! i wont annoy you...much...but anyway the media destorts everything...and the post is USA, posible war
i'll see what i can dig up and fill you in...
Helén
10-20-2002, 03:46 PM
Lol Tim!
timz2rules
10-22-2002, 08:47 PM
*smiles angelicly* i'm a wittle angel...*fixes his halo so it rests comforably on his horns*
ManagerJosh
10-22-2002, 09:04 PM
*users an eraser and erases Timz Halo :D *
timz2rules
10-22-2002, 09:52 PM
noooo!!!
Helén
10-23-2002, 08:29 AM
Lol. Gives Tim another Halo. One with a black edge on.. :D
lol guys. when i say annoying its from experience with my class, and other high schoolers in my high school. i dont mean all of them are annoying....
ManagerJosh
10-23-2002, 04:13 PM
Phew....for a second I thought I was going to have a flood of users flaming defantum......
Helén
10-24-2002, 12:47 AM
No risk for that I would say.:) Jake is much to nice to be flamed.;)
FaeLuna
10-24-2002, 12:52 AM
I think we would all stick up for Defantum!! :) Especially having the courage to WANT to deal with people in High School... unfortunately a lot of people in high school do NOT *WANT* to be there, and that makes it hard on everyone.
Helén
10-24-2002, 12:52 AM
So true Fae. :)
FaeLuna
10-24-2002, 12:55 AM
I actually NEVER went to high school because I had been home schooling when we moved to Texas, and I heard scary things about the high schools and I was TERRIFIED of them!! I got my GED and went to college though. :)
Helén
10-24-2002, 07:45 AM
Well done Fae!! :laugh: :)
timz2rules
10-24-2002, 12:58 PM
*is annoying* and so are most of the freshmen in my Spanish class...they have no respect...and because of that we had to do extra work...someone should just remove Ciggaretts, and Drugs and what not, and teach these kids some serious lessons in manners! :p
Helén
10-24-2002, 01:01 PM
Whooo Tim! You are really annoyed by them. But you are totally right in what you say. :classic:
*gives Tim a big hug*
ManagerJosh
10-24-2002, 10:08 PM
True........we better stick up for defantum......otherwise he doesn't have a ghost of a chance :D
FaeLuna
10-25-2002, 06:18 AM
ooooh oooh Pun alert, Pun alert!! yay!!! I LOOOOOOOVE puns!!! heeheeheeheehaahaahaahaahaa.... "ghost of a chance.,.." heeheehee... sniff... ahhh, that's good... sigh. ... that's the spirit..... ;)
Helén
10-25-2002, 07:14 AM
:laugh: Yeah, especially when you think of what defantum comes from! :laugh::laugh:
LOL.. nice pun! if the "annoying" kids turn out too much (they will hate me if they are even close.... *evil laff*) i have a back up job.
Helén
10-26-2002, 02:08 AM
Good for you Jake! ;);) What is that? Job as "First charmer"?;);)
well, if my teaching career is flushed then i can always most likely get a job with computers easily somewhere.
FaeLuna
10-26-2002, 11:01 AM
Just gotta keep up with all the latest computer programs and technology... heehee!
and i do... with a little help from my bro
*just thought of the song, with a little help from my friends, i think by the beetles.*
FaeLuna
10-26-2002, 11:11 AM
heh I like that song... now I'll have it stuck in my head! I didn't really know that song till it was the theme song for the tv show "The Wonder Years" :)
i like most beetles songs....
*walks off singin "and i'll get by with a little help from my friends...."*
(as an ofter thought, the "by" always sounds like "high" when i actualy here it...)
Helén
10-26-2002, 02:28 PM
Yes Jake. It's a Beatles hit.! :classic: And both By and high is in the text. :classic: I love Beatles!! :classic:
*Hops away humming on Beatles' "Hey Jude"*
oooh! Hey Jude is another good one!
*has no special walk or anything so just walks off humming to oh, sweet pea*
Helén
10-26-2002, 07:58 PM
Ohh... they are playing Rock'N Roll music!! YAY!!
*starts to rock to the music*
*rocks out the door*
timz2rules
11-03-2002, 08:31 PM
old peoples music...:rolleyes:
Helén
11-03-2002, 11:51 PM
What did you say Tim??? Eh????
isn't it interesting how the topic of this thread went from talkin about september 11th to music?
Helén
11-04-2002, 04:47 PM
It sure is Jake. :);)
timz2rules
11-10-2002, 12:59 AM
i''m not over 18, i can say its "old peoples music" if i want to :p
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