Anti Harry potter Club

[slimsim]

Hello everyone!,
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please check the box before the submit button if you would like to start an anti harry potter club,
dont forget its free!

[suitemichelle]

I have never read any of the HP books or seen the movies. Why are you anti-HP?

[FaeLuna]

I was curious about that too, I've read the books, finally, in spite of the hype. I hate too much hype around ANYTHING... is that why you've got an anti-Harry Potter Club?

[slimsim]

i founded AHPC in 2001 after i saw somthing on tv, i figured out that Harry Potter is just to make miss J.K. "moneybags" rowling richer than anything, also i dont like somthing to have too much media attention, heres an example of what the local fox station had the night of the 5th book release:
Tonight On Fox:
~Live from barnes and noble with harry potter coverge!
~then we have a live Via sattalite feed with the creator for an interview!
~then we go talk to a security guard that works where they store the books,
~then we will be off air

[FaeLuna]

um... most books are written hoping to share a story and hoping to make SOME money... it's not like the character Harry Potter was invented AFTER Rowlings was famous. ;) We'll see if it's all about the money now when we see if she sticks to her original intentions of having the series come to an end. If publishers and fans convince her to write MORE books after that, THEN I might say she's a sellout in it for the money. Just because she's suddenly popular doesn't mean she started out writing thinking she'd end up rich! Writers fall into that "starving artists" category! :D

I do hate all the media hype though.... sigh.

[Bookworm42]

LOL...I dislike all the Harry Potter hype also...I didn't find them very interesting books either!! In fact, Harry Potter is willing to sneak about and lie in order to do what he and his cronies want...gee, they are such wonderful role models for kids....I'm being sarcastic, by the way!! As far as Ms. Rowlings trying to make money off her books....that's the reason most people try to write a best-selling book....most of us have a "I wanna be famous...and rich...and in People magazine!!" mentality. (Although I admit that some gifted writers want to write because they love their craft but let's be completely honest, no one does something hoping that they'll never make a living at it!!)
Hey that's my opinion!!
http://www.mutantreviewers.com/rharrypotter2.jpg
Quick Hedwig....chew off this loser's arm....disassociate yourself from this lame storyline!!! :O

[FaeLuna]

Are there any children's books series you DO like? I love Chronicles of Narnia, my hubby got it all in one big book for me for Christmas last year. :D And I loved Louisa May Alcott's books and the Little House on the Prairie books when I was growing up.

[FinalFantasy4ever]

Hmm dunno igf its exactly a childrens book or not i loose track when i have so many. The Ghosts of Street series by R.L. Stine even though he did make other books which are most obviously not childrens books i think these are because they are way to easy for me but i am an advanced reader so i dunno lol.

[FaeLuna]

I've heard of R.L. Stine but I haven't read anything by them, I'll have to look for that series now and see what I think. :)

[FinalFantasy4ever]

Ghosts of Fear street isnt the best to read since its so easy the books that are 1. longer!!!!!
and 2. are actually made for teens and above are better to read. Also like em better hehe

[ManagerJosh]

I actually happen to read the harry potter books, and miss rowlings does an excellent job of pulling a reader into the book. The book itself can be read at any age level whether it be grade 1 or college or if you are a post graduate with a PH.D.

The books imagery is very vivid and her style of writing is definitely unique which why Ms. Rowling is famous...for bringing very characters of her own imagination to life in a vivid story-telling way.

[FinalFantasy4ever]

I happen to be told that i am a college level reader (WOW!) and i really enjoy reading what will happen next. Rowlings trys to grab your attention because she wants people to enjoy her books. although im not liking how harry is getting so paranoid...

[slimsim]

lol bookworm!!

[ManagerJosh]

Well I doubt she is writing for people to enjoy her books. After all when she first released Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone/Philosophers Stone, she was an absolute nobody.

[OinkUsed2BABunny]

The only books i've read and liked immensely were not novels such as the HP series, but the WWII documentaries by Cornelius Ryan. Talk about drawing the readers in, C.R. PUTS your there. Thats how good his writing is. You could be someone who wonders what a WWII is and you'd still be captivated by his fascinated story-telling (or in this case, re-telling) skills. He tells the story and the details right down to the bone, from the towns ppl's names to the starvation the paratroopers who participated in Operation Market Garden had to endure. Its like you are right there fighting, struggling and trying to survive alongside them. Hows that for cultivating your imagination?

Oh, and i'm not a particular fan of the HP books either. I was however entusiastic about the movies, altho i didnt actively go out to see it. I just saw it as they arrived at my door step along w/ many other strange and sometimes wonderful presents my parent's friends leave on my door mat while everyone's outta the house.

[slimsim]

josh is using "sim superstar" terms lol! just wanted to tell you:
by starting an AHPC on your school could get you a free web page!! just click the "i want to start an AHPC box near the sign up button!

[slimsim]

we have a new website!! lookie how shiny it is! oh well, the chats up and im working on the sign up! heres the url:
http://www.kenoshaantiharrypotterclub.bravehost.com/

[ohmikeghod]

It's really funny, but I can only find three reasons to hate Harry Potter:

1. You are a book-burning bigot.
2. You dislike well-written books with characters that are developed and grow with the stories.
3. You are illiterate.

So, Slimsim, which are you?

[Bookworm42]

Well, as I admitted earlier, I also dislike the Harry Potter books but sorry to disappoint you Ohmikeghod but I'm not illiterate, a book-burning bigot nor a disliker of well written books with well developed characters and I'm sure the same is true of Slimsim. I think that you are being a little over-defensive of a book that while it may be enjoyable reading to some, is very unlikely to be reprinted in 100 years as a Classic along with the likes of books like Lord of the Rings, etc. In fact, I have shelves of books that are considered "Great Literature" and believe me, the Harry Potter books do not compare to something written by Longfellow or Stevenson or even Jane Austin.

Also, I want to say kudoes to Oink on mentioning some great writing...a true sign of writing is when one feels like they are part of something greater than themselves and walk away feeling like they have truly experienced what the writer was talking about and are changed because of it. I'm sorry, but Harry Potter did not stir my imagination at all....

[ohmikeghod]

"Great Literature" and "Great Stories" are sometimes not synonymous. Rowling is an extremely accomplished storyteller. Additionally if you look at what books have been reprinted in the last 50 years, you will find more fantasy and science fiction than any other genre. If you are talking about literature that has lived through the ages, however, neither Longfellow, Stevenson (who also was a storyteller, rather than a creator of "literature"), or Austen hold a candle to the bard of Avon - a person who also was not trying to create "literature", but to create popular plays.

People who intentionally try to create literature invariably fail. Tolkein wasn't creating literature. He was creating a story for his son.

[ManagerJosh]

61 Mike...and still wise as ever.

[ohmikeghod]

OK. My original reply was a bit facetious. I really think that Slimsim is starting this club for a few reasons.

1. Harry potter is extremely popular. That makes (anti-HP) a reaction to popularity, similar to the anti=Barney phenomena a few years back. It doesn't mean that HP is bad - only that it's popular.

2. A bit of sour grapes. J. K. Rowling is making money from the books, and Slim is naturally jealous of the fact. This is similar to the anti-pay site reaction within the game.

3. 15 minutes of fame. Having a website where other people who can participate in an "anti" is another way of getting attention.

[slimsim]

ok ohmikeghod, where do you fit in?
1. youre jealous
2. you dont want to admit you like harry potter
3.you never read the book but want to act like everyone else
4. you hate people with websites
5. you hate people whos name begins with S
6. other
BTW, its more like 2 years of fame, i had half y school in the club for 2 years and this year im at a new school and have 1/4 of the school, secondly i noticed the amount of cussing in the books, the fifth one has the most out of all of them, these were kids books now there also more grown up. lastly, bill gates is rich, i dont mind him being rich, but after all he didnt start Microsoft on a NAPKIN in a CAFE!!! also i agree with bookworm, people say harry is great literature, this is like the movie reviews in january that say "best movie of the year!!", things become "popullar" after a few years like "Yu-Gi-Oh" which was copyright 1996 but became popular in america about a year ago, after "Poke'mon" was out, also after pokemon was "out" harry potter took over after the quick passing Scooter fad went through, ohmikeghod i dont care wht you think, you shouldnt care what i think, you cant stop me and i cant stop the publishing company from publishing hatty potter, if you like him, fine, if not, fine, i dont care if J.K made a buck or not, i also dont need attention, i have plenty of attention already at school.

[amethyst_88]

Well I have never read any of the harry potter books but i did see one of the movies, i think the last one. but i just dont understand why someone would want to devote time to an anti- site. I mean so you don't like something. If it doesn't have to do with you, then why not just forget about it? who cares if something's out there that you hate? Why not devote your precious time to something you actually like?

[SolidSnake_19]

I'm not a Harry Potter fan by any means, in fact I loathe the whole series to say the least.

I would have joined your Anti-Potter group Slimsim but unfortunatly I do not have TSO anymore. Although I hope you are inundated with new members scrambling to join your Anti-Harry Potter club. :)

[ohmikeghod]

Originally posted by slimsim
ok ohmikeghod, where do you fit in?
1. youre jealous

Of who? You?

2. you dont want to admit you like harry potter

Of course I like the Harry Potter books. I doubt that I would have responded if I didn't.

3.you never read the book but want to act like everyone else

I'm busy on another re-read now, as a matter of fact.

4. you hate people with websites

Nonsense. I've got one myself.

5. you hate people whos name begins with S

Again, nonsense. My own name starts with an "S" However starting a club against people who's name starts with an "S" is as good an idea as starting an anti-Harry Potter club. OTOH, both names in "Salazar Slytherin" start with "S"

6. other
BTW, its more like 2 years of fame, i had half y school in the club for 2 years and this year im at a new school and have 1/4 of the school, secondly i noticed the amount of cussing in the books, the fifth one has the most out of all of them, these were kids books now there also more grown up.

I certainly don't notice an inordinate amount of cussing. I certainly heard a lot worse when I was in school. Noticing things like that is one of the things that the book-burning bigots do, although they usually stick to the "these books teach kids that witchcraft is good" angle.

lastly, bill gates is rich, i dont mind him being rich, but after all he didnt start Microsoft on a NAPKIN in a CAFE!!!

More like his parent's garage. Bill was 17 when he and a schoolmate formed the company. Not a whole lot of difference as far as I can tell. Many really good things started out small. The first airplane was built in a bike shop (unless you count the Australian one as the first, *that*was built in a shed), the Gettysburg adress was written on the back of an envelope, etc. If I did a bit of research, I'll bet I could come up with thousands of examples.

also i agree with bookworm, people say harry is great literature, this is like the movie reviews in january that say "best movie of the year!!", things become "popullar" after a few years like "Yu-Gi-Oh" which was copyright 1996 but became popular in america about a year ago, after "Poke'mon" was out, also after pokemon was "out" harry potter took over after the quick passing Scooter fad went through, ohmikeghod i dont care wht you think, you shouldnt care what i think, you cant stop me and i cant stop the publishing company from publishing hatty potter, if you like him, fine, if not, fine, i dont care if J.K made a buck or not, i also dont need attention, i have plenty of attention already at school.

Ah, so it all boils down to an adolescent reaction to popularity. I understand where you're coming from, now. "It's popular. I'm not. So I'll become popular by tearing it down.". And, if you don't care about Rowling's money, then why did you make the reference to Bill Gates? I know I can't stop you, but perhaps you need to perform a bit of self-examination on your reasons for this.

Also, you might want to have some sort of caveat on your website, stating that what is posted is opinion, review, and commentary (especially if you don't research). Post about the books only, and not personal comments about the author herself. This is especially needed if you post people's comments, since libel laws DO apply to things published on the web and internet. If you're under 18 (which is an assumption, given that you're still in school) then your parents might be liable for anything posted on your website. It might be a good idea to consult an attorney for an exact wording before going too far. We live in a litagous society, so covering your bases might be in order.

[suitemichelle]

O.T.

Okay, you guys, back into your corners and take a breather. take a drink of water. One of the rules of fair fighting is: Don't attack your opponents character.

[Bookworm42]

*Applaud Suitemichelle*

True, true...we all have different taste in books (defining what is literature and what is a good story is a matter of semantics). I, personally, feel that alot of the books out there are not good stories much less good literature, but if someone wants to read it, so be it. The only thing that annoyed me in this thread was the implication that if one didn't like Harry Potter then one was illiterate and bigoted. I thank Ohmikeghod for admitting that he was being facetious in that first comment but admit that I feel that just as he desires the opportunity to state his pro-opinion towards HP that he should be willing to grant the same courtesy to Slimsim rather than posting a long criticism of Slim's dislike for the books. All of us have inward biases and opinions that affect how we will relate to a book...I personally objected to HP in that I feel that the books convey a message of "The ends justify the means." and I feel that is a morally wrong message to send young people. I also have a strong problem with books that encourage or make occultic activity look fun. I have had friends that dabbled in that stuff thinking it harmless and later they discovered an entire dark element to it that nearly overwhelmed some of them. We all have heard stories of people who started dabbling in satanism, etc. thinking it was harmless fun only to discover it had some superhuman hold on them that led to them committing acts they would never have considered before that initial experimentation. So, in a nutshell, that is why I have problems with the series and would not recommend it to the people that I know.

[ohmikeghod]

I was going to respond, but I've decided to end this. I'm not going to make Slim think about what he's doing or the possible consequences, and I'm not going to change Bookworm's mind about thinking that the books are either wrong or dangerous, even if they are only fiction.

[Bookworm42]

Fine with me, Mike...I wasn't trying to insinuate that but realize that it is easy to read stuff into comments that was unintended and if I have done that with your comments, I, too, am willing to apologize... I was just trying to explain my own bias towards certain books without meaning that I am in favor of book-burning, etc. I did state, after all, that people could read whatever they wanted to, I, however, had a problem with HP for the reasons that I stated...It is a leap of logic to state that I believe books are wrong or dangerous..that is akin to saying that guns are bad or wrong...they (and books) are not either, people that use or misuse either, are the danger.

[ohmikeghod]

I was originally not going to respond, but since my logic was questioned... I have to respond on my "leap of logic"

Originally posted by Bookworm42

I also have a strong problem with books that encourage or make occultic activity look fun. I have had friends that dabbled in that stuff thinking it harmless and later they discovered an entire dark element to it that nearly overwhelmed some of them. We all have heard stories of people who started dabbling in satanism, etc. thinking it was harmless fun only to discover it had some superhuman hold on them that led to them committing acts they would never have considered before that initial experimentation. So, in a nutshell, that is why I have problems with the series and would not recommend it to the people that I know.

The above is the argument that the book-burners use, with the only difference being "would not reccomend it to the people that I know" being replaced with "would destroy the books if I could". The difference is only degree of commitment - the beliefs are the same. Having read the post, it was not a real leap (more like a hop) to "wrong or dangerous", since I already knew that you were not a book-burner from your earlier posts.

[Bookworm42]

Whatever...go have a nice day anyway!

[PhilipTarbuck]

I have a feeling I have just missed a 'fight'? Good - I hate those things. No-one wins and the loser invariably comes away with the girl.

[suitemichelle]

ot: lol Phillip

[OinkUsed2BABunny]

What the heck happened here? Gotta check other threads out more from now on.

So this is Book's true color eh? Not that this is any better than her other, more infamous, persona.:rolleyes:

Just when I thought this board was better than fights like this, something happens. Fighting over such a trivial matter too. I DO wonder why Mike defended HP tho. I dont know if he was defending HP, per se, or something else, but it looks to me as tho he was. People just couldnt take it when their beloved (insert thing here) has been bashed. Take me for example: I dont even like Raiden all that much, but I still defended him in another thread. Think I'm contradicting myself and/or just plain confused and want me to shut up instead? Ok, I'll stop talking now.

. o O (Ooooh, you've dont it this time.)

Why won't you shut up Brain?

[ohmikeghod]

Originally posted by OinkUsed2BABunny
I DO wonder why Mike defended HP tho.

One of the main themes of the books is prejudice, and the fight against it. It bothers me when prejudice surfaces as one of the main reasons against the books. When people say that these books lure people to the dark side of occultism, they are displaying their superstitions, not facts. That's why I defended the books.

The other reason, that authors should not make money from their ideas, is ludicrous, and needs to be pointed out as exactly that.

[ManagerJosh]

okay thinking this thread has gone a bit too far....its starting to become a flame war.