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timz2rules

09-23-2002, 12:19 AM

ok, there is a debate in the US senate i think it is over weather or not to give Bush unlimited authority to take on Iraq? and if he does, they have Nuclear weapons and Biological ones as well, don't they...Sudam is another one of those crazies...lets hear some of your opinions on this, i say its a bad idea to do it...

ManagerJosh

09-23-2002, 03:03 AM

I think we need to seriously reconsider about going to war...

Helén

09-23-2002, 02:21 PM

War is never a permanent solution. I don't think it's even a good one. There is a "say" here that: "violence gives more violence". That "Damn Saddam" is a maniac. yes, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, bin Laden, and many more.
How many lifes shall it cost? Who takes the worse hit in a war?
How many children loses their fathers. How many starving homeless? Have they deserved it?? Are they the responsible ones??

It does brings the good old song "Blowing in the wind" to mind.
Let's hope for peace.

ManagerJosh

09-23-2002, 05:27 PM

I think the phrase is "Dust In The Wind" should a nuke destroy the entire earth.

Tweety

09-23-2002, 08:21 PM

I think that, if the UN doesn't agree with Bush about attcking Iraq (As I've heard they don't), then we really shouldn't. I think if the rest of the world doesn't believe it's a good idea, then Bush should understand that now is obviously not the time to take care of Saddam.

timz2rules

09-23-2002, 09:10 PM

Josh, on your note, we would go into a nuclear winter, we would die of starvation first before anything else :P, and yes the UN doesn't fully support it, but they do a bit...its a good debate topic, no?

ManagerJosh

09-23-2002, 10:56 PM

If someone shoots nukes on everyone on the earth, we would be dust in the wind tim...literally. Almost no one would survive.

timz2rules

09-24-2002, 04:50 PM

guess you got a point..it would suck to go that way...

Helén

09-25-2002, 10:25 PM

It's freezes me to even think of it ...
What are these leaders trying to do. It seems to me that all this warchase is a way to gain popularity .... As it lures the dark side in people ... I don't know, but thought have "hit" me more than once.

ManagerJosh

09-25-2002, 10:34 PM

SOmetimes you think and wonder WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING!!!

Helén

09-25-2002, 10:37 PM

That is a very good question Josh and it goes for all leaders that talks about war. It's so sad. I know how upsetting it is.

*Gives Josh a warm hug to calm him down*

timz2rules

09-26-2002, 08:24 PM

it is an upsetting topic, but its a debateable topic, and thats why i posted it...oh well *pats Josh on the back* don't worry, i'm sure it will work out...

Helén

09-26-2002, 09:58 PM

You're right Tim.
I appreciate you posting it. It needs to be debated. Seems we here is doing a better job with that then our leaders when they have theire debates about peace and stuff

timz2rules

09-26-2002, 10:01 PM

what debates about peace, i mean, sure they say they are but, does any peace actually come from those talks?

ManagerJosh

09-26-2002, 11:36 PM

There won't be peace for quite some time now...Just when you thought the world was starting to understand each other...

Helén

09-26-2002, 11:53 PM

I'm afraid you're right both of you.

*sighes*

timz2rules

09-27-2002, 07:16 PM

the world was starting to understand each other? on what continet? btw, if you go back to Prehistory and look in the general area of iraq and all them...you'll see the've been at war for practily ever

Helén

09-27-2002, 07:59 PM

True.
*sighes and shekas her head*

ManagerJosh

09-27-2002, 10:19 PM

Technically I always thought it was Persia.

Helén

09-28-2002, 02:31 PM

Doesn't really matter who.

The question is : what can mankind do the keep crazy leaders in leash????..

The peace movement at the 60's did have a point after all. (Take away the drugs of course.) Which shows that everything has a backside.

Which back do we want? Which way is the better good for most of the mankind? I'm positive it's now war anyway...

*gives the peacesign and gives out roses*

Love and understanding - not war

timz2rules

09-29-2002, 05:46 PM

mankind is a natual born sheep...a follower...most people listen to something and follow, they may not know what it is their doing, but they sure as heck do it...

Helén

09-30-2002, 01:12 PM

You're right in that Tim.
I'm impressed...

lewdini

09-30-2002, 07:11 PM

Just for the record...posible is spelled with 2 s...possible...
how is it possible that the US should launch a war when they are constantly talking about peace?
There should be other alternatives to war!

Helén

10-01-2002, 10:21 AM

Yes it shoud Lew.
But what politicians in general says and what they do..... well.... think about it.

ManagerJosh

10-01-2002, 11:08 AM

timz2rules

10-01-2002, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by timz2rules
mankind is a natual born sheep...a follower...most people listen to something and follow, they may not know what it is their doing, but they sure as heck do it...

*says it again* its really common in schools, its called "trends" if you haven't knowticed...and thanks lew...btw, Us wants war because Bush is an idiot sometimes :rolleyes: i didn't say that, i'm innocent...besides, its becase Suam or however its spelled, isn't or wasn't cooperating with the Un...

Helén

10-01-2002, 02:17 PM

I got what you mean Tim.
It's scary... And unfortunately it goes for many countries around the world

timz2rules

10-01-2002, 02:39 PM

well Josh told me to say it again! hehe yes nina, its very unfortunate

Helén

10-01-2002, 02:59 PM

*sighes deeply* over some peoples stupidity and stubbornss which causes so much pain and suffering,

timz2rules

10-02-2002, 07:54 PM

very true nina, very true...

Helén

10-02-2002, 07:58 PM

*Shares a carrot with Tim pondering over mankind*

timz2rules

10-02-2002, 08:00 PM

*smiles* thanks, i'd rather not think of the stupidty of mankind thank you, hey, i'm a perfect example ;)

Helén

10-02-2002, 08:05 PM

???????
Of what? You're not stupid!!!!!!
Don't say that! hrmph!

timz2rules

10-02-2002, 08:07 PM

i say i'm stupid :p because i do follow a bit, and well, i am stupid, just look at my grades :p

lewdini

10-04-2002, 03:09 AM

Well peace be us all

Helén

10-04-2002, 05:29 AM

Tim!!!
Grades does not show if someone is stupid or not!! Believe me! That has to do with other aspects in life... You should see my grades when i was in 8th and 9th grade!! Talk about catastrophy! At least in some parts...

Don't sell yourself short. I think you're smart, funny and a real good friend! So cheer up! You can only do your best, i might have some tip or 2.

No matter what.You always be dear to me..
*gives you a big hug and a friendly kiss*
Cheer up mate.

*:bunny: :bunny: :bunny:*

lewdini

10-04-2002, 05:37 AM

Nina is smart...Timz is smart...only Lew is not so smart...falling in love with a girl who doesnt want him to be around

Helén

10-05-2002, 04:49 AM

Lew.
You'll find the right one one day.. You'll see. One who will love you for you... I'm sure.

*hugs*

lewdini

10-05-2002, 05:48 PM

Thanks Nina!!!

timz2rules

10-06-2002, 09:52 PM

Timz is not smart :p i don't care what people say, i'm not smart, and to the dismay of many of my friends *looks at ash* i am NOT a hottie :p i always sell myself short, becase my parents sell me short if that makes sence...

Helén

10-06-2002, 10:40 PM

That makes perfectly sense to me Tim. But your parents are wrong about you then. I'm positive Tim.

*gives Tim a big hug*

timz2rules

10-06-2002, 10:45 PM

hehe nina, thanks *blushes a lil* my parents are ebil...*hugs back*

Helén

10-16-2002, 01:02 AM

I don't think they really are "evil" Tim. All parents wants what they think is the best for theire children.:) Yours too I'm sure.
But what most people doesn't get or know is that if you "degrade" and talk less to and about a person that's the result you'll get in the end. :(
So Tim you're just one of many that has this happening to you. Don't buy it anymore, because it isn't true. You ARE smart. You have a lot of insight too about things. Stop sell yourself short. Start look at the things you know you're good about and then open up to get other areas to be better. :) Do NOT go into the trap of selfdegrading!!
You're a sweetie Tim, and you are smart. You just stopped using your abilities in some areas. :);) OK?

*gives Tim a warm big hug*

lewdini

10-16-2002, 03:20 AM

Timz...U are smart and nice/...ur gf is a lucky gal

timz2rules

10-16-2002, 11:21 PM

*raises an eyebrow and chuckles* thanks lew ;) i really need to call her...but her mom is strange...

i'm not smart...i'm up at 12:30 am...i have to get up in about 5 hours for school...:confused:

Helén

10-17-2002, 06:35 PM

Well.. that's not too smart I agree.. :classic:

*tucks Tim into bed, gives him a good night kiss on his forehead, turns the light off and tiptoes out*
night Tim! sweet dreams.. :)

timz2rules

10-17-2002, 07:33 PM

hehe, thanks nina *smiles and has pleasnt dreams of...*

Helén

10-18-2002, 10:48 AM

:classic::classic::classic:

Sweet....

Jake

10-19-2002, 01:37 PM

Well, i'm finally done reading all of the post of this thread...
i agree with most of you in that war is NOT the answer. and that bush shouldn't go in alone against saddam (or however you spell his name). He should wait for all of the allies to join him.. I have heard that countries like Russia and others have said they wouldn't support bush at ALL if he went to war. i think one of mankinds greatest flaws is short sightedness (spelling?). they only see what they want to see, and/or ignore everything else. they dont bother to look at what could happen if (example) they went to war with iraq. When you think about it, if/when bush goes to war with whoever, then gas and other oil prices will go up becuase that is where the most oil in the world is found and produced. and many many many innocent lives would die as a result. not to mention the debt the US is already in would go even higher to pay for the war, and thats the start of a downfall of a country, debt from war and such things. it happened with spain, france, england (granted it was hundreds of years ago, but history repeats itself). Well, thats my views on the war threat.

Nina, let me tell you (even tho you'll just get mad at me for sayin it) I sell myself short! I say i am stupid and am not as smart as i truely am becuase when your smart and people know it, your in the "lime light" more. and i dont like to be in the "lime light".
Hey! how about a history lesson, the term "lime light" came from when theatres were in the early stages, there was a light that was the color of lime (i think) that shone on the stage where the actors acted.

*sighs* i need to stop makin such long post....

Helén

10-19-2002, 03:33 PM

I agree with you Jake about the war thing so far. :)

And what about you my dear, sweet friend :classic: Naah I can't get mad at you.. :clasic: ;) I just don't like when you "sell yourself short" although I understand what you mean. I really do.

*gives Jake a warm big hug*

But please stop SAY you're stupid (goes for the rest of you as well that does similar things).. ok? Plleeeeasee... ;):classic: ;)

Cool about that limelight thing.. :classic:

FaeLuna

10-19-2002, 03:34 PM

I now wonder what it was that was making the lights lime colored... hmmmm.... :)

ManagerJosh

10-19-2002, 05:21 PM

the best way is to get rid of Saddam without war, that's the optimal concept. However we don't know if that is even possible :(

As far as I'm concern I think Saddam died years ago like Osama Bin Ladin

Helén

10-19-2002, 05:27 PM

Maybe you're right about that Josh. Personally I think Saddam is still alive, I'm not so sure about bin Laden though. Don't ask why i think so, it's just a "feeling".. But tha best would be to get proof theire both are dead.

Jake

10-19-2002, 08:02 PM

i wont say i'm stupid... just not smart, as in average..

what has happened with saddam? i thought he was still alive.....

Helén

10-19-2002, 08:07 PM

I have no idea. Those countries are pretty quiet about what's really going on..

ManagerJosh

10-19-2002, 10:03 PM

Give the fact Saddam detests the US, it was no surprise that Saddam has some sort of tie with Bin Ladin

Jake

10-19-2002, 10:08 PM

huh? saddamm has some sort of tie with bin laden? good grief i am out if it! i think maybe i will stay in my liitlle hole away from civilization as it would take very long to get into "it"

Helén

10-19-2002, 10:10 PM

I'm not surprised.

timz2rules

10-20-2002, 11:29 AM

alright, i've picked up a bit of info...

Russia doesn't want to fight, but they may support...Iraq, and those others...England want full support...and will give it...

the way things are turrning out, is that this war against terrorism may turn into World War 3...its becomeing disgusting in the middle-east and the west is starting to get a lil touchy...

think about what may happen if the west does intervine...

Jake

10-20-2002, 11:33 AM

aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! war!!!!!! gas prices up SO much.... not to mention the innocent lives dead.....

Jake

10-20-2002, 11:34 AM

oh, and greater debt for the USA

timz2rules

10-20-2002, 12:14 PM

oh yes...seems that way eh def?

Helén

10-20-2002, 02:57 PM

The worst is.... :( it could be the definite end of this planet.. There are to many bombs around this planet.. and there are enough real maniacs to press the buttons. It's really scary..

timz2rules

10-20-2002, 03:18 PM

yeah i know...thats the scarry part of it all...

Jake

10-20-2002, 03:46 PM

yes, it is.

ManagerJosh

10-20-2002, 10:25 PM

The worst part is that when war happens, we don't know what will happen tommorow..

Helén

10-21-2002, 08:19 AM

Yes. *sighes*

ManagerJosh

10-21-2002, 02:21 PM

*sighs* :( and then we fear for the rest of our lives........

Helén

10-21-2002, 04:43 PM

It hurts me to see you guys worried and sad... I wish I could really do something about it..... But I don't know what or how...
I wish....

ManagerJosh

10-21-2002, 10:46 PM

nothing more we can do execpt pray and then put our faith in god to see us through these dark times.

Helén

10-22-2002, 03:50 AM

Mmm.. You're right Josh. Doesn't matter what believes we have. We can always pray in one way or another. :)

Bryan

10-22-2002, 02:02 PM

*prays*

timz2rules

10-22-2002, 08:32 PM

the only thing to fear is fear itself...but what if fear comes as death?

ManagerJosh

10-22-2002, 08:39 PM

everyone fears death.....that's one thing that is fair to everyone :(

timz2rules

10-22-2002, 09:07 PM

well then i'm not everyone...i don't fear death...

a question was raised in my English class, "How many of you people (15 - 16 year olds) think the world will end in your lifetime?" there was a large vote on yes...mine was yes...

ManagerJosh

10-22-2002, 09:13 PM

no one knows when the world will end.......and that is pure speculation Timz.

timz2rules

10-22-2002, 09:17 PM

yeah true...but then you get back to the issue of war...and the amount of Nuclear bombs floating around...

Helén

10-22-2002, 09:24 PM

Interesting guys.But I do hope that there is a way to save our world despite all.

ManagerJosh

10-22-2002, 09:24 PM

and everyone on the edge of their seats......

timz2rules

10-22-2002, 09:26 PM

and everyone is on their knees praying for forgivness...

Helén

10-23-2002, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by timz2rules
the only thing to fear is fear itself...but what if fear comes as death?

The first part is very true Tim.
*listening to "I cry for you/Saved by the bells"*

I don't fear death. But what makes me sad is to see all people that suffers. And especially my friends being sad and worried about so serious matters as this is. :cry:
I want you to be happy.. to live a life without fear ... to live a life with no other worries than daily small stuff.

Jake

10-23-2002, 03:21 PM

only the ignorant live like that nina.. only the ignorant. i think that is prolly where the saying "ignorance is bliss" came from. unfortunately, some people are part ignorant and part educated. that can be a bad mix as it can result in some understanding, but not complete. thus the person is confused and more afraid of what they dont fully know. I'm not saying every ignorant person lives in bliss, and every person that is ignorant yet educated is living in terror or anything. this is just a generalization. although i did just think of a joke, funny how the brain works, eh?. I think that for the most part, the people that have been talkin in this thread have been mostly educated, and not so much ignorant.

ManagerJosh

10-23-2002, 04:14 PM

so let's change it to this.....

Education is Bliss :D

Jake

10-23-2002, 04:25 PM

no no no...
Knowledge is power/bliss :D :)

ManagerJosh

10-23-2002, 04:55 PM

and strength :D

Helén

10-23-2002, 11:53 PM

Jake, what I mean is that I wish you COULD live a life like that. Not that you are or should as this planet really are in jeopardy.

But it's also true that knowledge is power and strenght. But only as long as you can use it to influence with. And then you have to realize that your influences can be of blessing or hurt others. So you must be willing to accept the full responsibility that comes with that power - and it's here the leaders of today fails. They're using their powers and is making impacts on other peoples lifes - but they doesn't take the responsibility for it. And that's dangerous.

FaeLuna

10-24-2002, 12:25 AM

Here's a saying, made FAMOUS by comic books: :D

"With Great Power, comes Great Responsibility"

It's one of my favorites.

ManagerJosh

10-24-2002, 12:35 AM

Spiderman :) :classic:

Saw the movie that's why I know :p

Helén

10-24-2002, 12:42 AM

The statement is true - or should be anyway. :)

FaeLuna

10-24-2002, 12:42 AM

heh yeah, Spiderman made it the BIG saying, but it was the theme in a LOT of Stan Lee's comic books, he's the one who basically MADE Marvel comics and Spiderman was part of that. It's in Daredevil and X-Men as a theme too. I can't wait till the Daredevil movie comes out.... sigh.

Helén

10-24-2002, 01:31 AM

I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with them although the mags are here in Seden too - translated of course.
But a true statement never looses on being told over and over again. :)

timz2rules

10-24-2002, 01:08 PM

Marvel commics! woo! Spawn! alright, sorry...
anyhoo heres another quote for you...
"men willingly belive what they wish" -Julius Caeser

Helén

10-24-2002, 01:15 PM

True too... :classic:

ManagerJosh

10-24-2002, 10:05 PM

Vedi, Veni, Veci - Caesar

FaeLuna

10-25-2002, 06:13 AM

errr.... Is Spawn with Marvel comics now??!!!! They used to be an independent!! ak!!! When did that change???!!!

Helén

10-25-2002, 09:18 AM

"What you're doing today, gives it's result tomorrow*

(Hard to translate.. but.. )

FaeLuna

10-25-2002, 09:21 AM

What happened to the sayings thread? Shouldn't this be in there instead of "USA Possible War"??!! :)

Helén

10-25-2002, 10:32 AM

You're right about that Fae. On the other hand. I don't think I have so much more to say in this subject. Does anyone else? Well. Let's wait and find out.

FaeLuna

10-25-2002, 02:38 PM

*clicks uselessly around the bottom right corner of her screen where the option to close thread should be....* sigh

Jake

10-25-2002, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by ManagerJosh
Vedi, Veni, Veci - Caesar

I heard that from a friend once, forgot it til now tho. I think it means I can, I saw, I conqoured. but i'm not sure.

Helén

10-26-2002, 03:24 AM

Erhm.. I can see that option on my screen Fae... but i don't have the authority. ;)

justygd

10-26-2002, 09:23 AM

I dont really have any fancy sayings but just as a note ; In recent times it becomes clear to all or at least it should that noone really knows whats gonna happen next,so we should all appreciate those we know and care about.. cuz they may not be here tomorrow. And most importantly,let those people know how you feel, cuz ya just never know if you'll get another chance tomorrow.

justygd 2002

Helén

10-26-2002, 10:12 AM

You're right about that. You don't need "fancy" words to express you appreciation for those you love and care for. And we really should let them know our feelings ever so often just because of the uncertainties of our lives. *sighes* I would tell anyway, with or without these uncertainties. But I still wish the world was a better place... I think we all do...