Plato

[PhilipTarbuck]

If you can discover a better way of life than office holding for your future rulers, a well governed city becomes a possibility. For only in such a state will those rule who are truly rich, not in gold, but in the wealth that makes happiness - a good and wise life. (Plato - The Republic) (also in Alpha Centauri).

[ManagerJosh]

How about just Petitioning? Works just as well :D

[Helén]

Plato was right I think.
Goverment should be ruled by those who's rich in wisdom. And with wisdom comes compassion and understanding I believe.

[Helén]

Most interesting Philip!!!!

:classic:

[lewdini]

Then Nina should be a ruler!!

[Helén]

Hehehehe... me??? Oh my.... poor people then!!!

Don't you know i'm the "ebil bunny with horns"?

:bunny: *hops away giggling*

[PhilipTarbuck]

"Sometimes I sitz and thinks and sometimes I just sits" I think it was Pooh Bear, but I have just forgotten the name of the author.
"Cautious careful people always casting about to preserve their reputation and social standing can never bring about reform. Those who are really in earnest must be willing to be anything or nothing in the worlds estimation. (Susan B. Anthony (1820-1906) on the American Divorce Law Reform Act 1860)

[Helén]

Hmmm.. that's pretty deep... And of course interesting to go deeper into.

You're a cool one Philip :)

[PhilipTarbuck]

'I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat' (Winston Churchill, 1940).
'Time does not bring relief you all have lied
Who told me time would ease me of my pain....'
(Edna St Vincent Millay, Time does not bring relief)

[Helén]

Mhm.. Interesting. Although time does ease pain. At least to a certain degree.

And Churchill was right. WW II brought just that upon a whole world. At least he was honest about the time in hand. He was a great leader. :)

[PhilipTarbuck]

One Evening in October, when I was one-third sober,
An' taking home a 'load' with manly pride;
My poor feet began to stutter, as I lay down in the gutter,
And a pig came up and lay down by my side.
Then we sang "Its all fair weather when good fellows get together,"
Till a lady passing by was heard to say;
"You can tell a man who 'boozes' by the company he chooses"
And the pig got up and slowly walked away.
(Benjamin Hopgood Burt "The Pig Got up and slowly Walked Away" - a 1933 song - a great year!)

[Helén]

:):):)
Cute.... and a lil bit sad... :) Thanks Philip! :classic:

[FaeLuna]

I wonder if my dad knows that song, it came out the year he was born!! 1933 :)

[PhilipTarbuck]

I was very interested to read your note, Fae. As I said, 1933 was a very good year. It was also the year I was born. The year that Leslie Crowther (a British tv personality), and various other people were born. It was the year that oral evidence was admitted for the first time in civil proceedings in Germany. It was the year in which a body (or skeleton) was discovered. It was the year prohibition ended. It was the year of the Gold Diggers of 1933 (a film including Ginger Rogers, but no Fred Astaire) and of various other films.
I could go on like this for quite a long long time.
Now you know my age - "Not many people know that" (Michael Caine), i.e. apart from the odd few thousand.
Just in passing I would like to add that where I was born there was not a blade of grass, or an animal of any kind, within two miles. There was a cotton mill chimney four doors away that used to belch forth much in the morning, and it hung around and dropped back again on you in the afternoon. That is all different now.

[FaeLuna]

Wow, where were you living where there wasn't any grass? My father was born in the Farmhouse on their farm in Iowa, the dr. came and delivered him! :) He was surrounded by grass and critters!!
I never heard of the movie Gold Diggers, I love Fred Astaire movies though, it would be interesting to see Ginger Rogers without him though. I also LOVE Danny Kaye movies! :p
I grew up with a lot of my dad's stuff, like reading his old comic books from the 1940s, and his pulp fiction and westerns too. Which makes me weird around people my age, because half my childhood was, in a way, "before their time" haha! :)

[ManagerJosh]

I'd prefer my Downtown - Petula Clark and Time to Say Good Bye (talk about a bad time to mention it)

[PhilipTarbuck]

Fae: North Manchester, England, not U.S.A.

[ManagerJosh]

argh..I was right..LordBrain515 resigned as Super Moderator :(

[FaeLuna]

Is North Manchester an area that's all City and not Urban at all? I don't really know much about the areas in England other than London... I don't know a lot about areas of the US that I haven't lived in either though! :p

[PhilipTarbuck]

When I was born the cotton industry was still in full flood. There are mills all over north Manchester. The reason was not that it rained at great deal, but that the atmosphere was damp. So you could stretch cotton without it breaking. There were canals for transporting the cotton, although their use was completely dying out quite rapidly. What made it much worse was the war, which came six years later. I didn't realise at the time what a nuisance that was and I don't think I understood what a tragedy it was as well - which is just as well.
North Manchester was very urban - it was slum. It has all gone now, thank goodness.

[Helén]

Interesting, very interesting. :classic:

(Josh I like those songs too) ;)