Numerator and Quaxi

[Mirelly]

Has anyone managed to get two sims to play anything resembling a complete game? I am not asking for help or a how do I? I am just curious cos from where I sit after several failed attempts to use the bowling lanes I conclude they are too buggy to work properly. If someone claims to have succeeded I'll keep at it but right now I wanna just leave them alone.

[surprised_by_witches]

I can't even get my sims to concentrate on playing a game for more than one set of throws apiece. I wonder if turning off free will would help.

But what fun is that?

Anyone have any tips?

[Mirelly]

Oh bless ya, SBW. I've tried free will off ... actually my sims aren't allowed free will in my universe ... give them free will and they're guaranteed to choose the most stupid thing possible as their carefully considered choice of actions. For example, only today I didn't need free will to be engaged to know that (a) it was Juan the cleaner (and father of little baby Ajax) who was coming by every afternoon and kicking over the trash can and (b) that man of the house Jack would need instructions to abandon whatever he was doing to run outside and beat the crap out of his wife's seducer.

But anyway folks ... any tips are welcome but please don't spoil it by assuming we're asking for a step by step guide :p Personally I still think the darn things are as bugged as a Mashuno machine (or what about that charades game from TS1 ... that never worked either except to act as flypaper for any visiting sims :rolleyes: )

[zydeco]

On another forum someone mentioned how their sims autonomously set up bowling leagues! I had no idea that was possible. Mine bowl a few minutes and then quit. If on a date, one of them wanders off to do something else. Until I saw the bowling league thing I assumed mine were behaving normally. Maybe you have to take a group to the lane. I haven't tried that.

[Mirelly]

I took a group to a Maxis made bowling place and sent one to bowl and then clicked thru to get the others to join him. They set out to join him but one got side-tracked by another visitor who wanted to flirt with him, a second seemed to get either bored waiting for his turn or else couldn't make up his mind where to stand or sit while waiting ... whatever ... he also got out of the groove and into some dreary interaction with someone he actually hated. Meanwhile, first bowler has bowled and the second takes his turn and #1 ... well #1 has been found utterly fascinating to some NPC or other.

[zydeco]

I was going to make bowling my primary thing yesterday but my sims kept rolling "take a sim to dinner". I got sidetracked. :o The Prima Guide only says that one person will "practice" until his fun meter fills. If others "join" they will bowl ten frames. I'm going to put Merola's Painting in the bowling alley and see if depleting their fun meter will make them play a whole game. The last time I tried to bowl with a group they all stopped to watch a big fight. My downtown bowling spot seems to be a rough dive. Even the women are picking fights. :eek: Some townie that I dubbed Big Mama was cleaning everyone's clocks. She started and won 4 or 5 big bruhahas. Perhaps a boxing ring would have been better than bowling lanes. Everyone stops to watch a good fight.

(And speaking of fights...anyone catch the train wreck on Varioussimers last night? It was world class! LOL! It included Carrigon, Rentched, Delphy, Quaxi, Numenor, etc.)

[Mirelly]

The Prima Guide only says that one person will "practice" until his fun meter fills. If others "join" they will bowl ten frames.

Aw now I just feel like a cheapskate. Wot? Moi purrrrrr-chiss an extra manuel? That would be like cheating!!!! ;) :p

Can't stop ... Strictly Come Dancing is on the telly and the utterly drop-dead gorgeous chef James Martin is gonna show us how to make spun sugar while waltzing around the dance floor with some professional eye-candy called Camilla Summat ... no! not that Camilla.

[zydeco]

some professional eye-candy called Camilla Summat ... no! not that Camilla.
I'm afraid I can't imagine that Camilla ever being considered eye-candy...even on her best day ever. Apparently Charles thinks so though.

Aw now I just feel like a cheapskate. Wot? Moi purrrrrr-chiss an extra manuel? That would be like cheating!!!! ;) :p
Well, I assured hubby that it was necessary to have an instruction manual to go with the game. They don't seem to include them with games now. :D Actually Pescado assured me repeatedly that one didn't need the guides. Perhaps he doesn't but I've discovered that I like having reference tools. I'm one of those instruction reader types.

I sent one of my sims bowling tonight with free will on. He got out of his car with only one thing on his mind...bowling. He bee-lined to a lane and 3 other sims immediately joined in. It took about 4 sim hours to bowl those 10 frames. My sim clapped and cheered like a doofus all evening. I now wish I had a bug that prevented 10 frame games. :rolleyes: The animations were pretty good though. No one seems to use the body english that I do. I physically will my ball down the lane by twisting and turning. I've noticed many people do this in real life. We all look like dorks. It is somewhat embarrassing to find that sims are much better bowlers than I am...even those very pregnant or quite elderly. :o

[surprised_by_witches]

Wait ... pregnant sims can now leave the house? Or did one of your sims have one put in?

[Mirelly]

LOL. I like the animation where the sim falls flat on his face as he follows through. Though after seeing it in an episode of Malcolm In The Middle the other week it would also be neat to have an animation of a sim marching down to the end of the lane and lobbing a ball at the pins from 6" away ... and still missing! :D

[zydeco]

Wait ... pregnant sims can now leave the house? Or did one of your sims have one put in?
You know...I haven't tried letting a pregnant sim go to downtown. I just assumed they couldn't. Pregnant sims have always been able to go on their own when you aren't playing their household though. All my pregnant sims seem compelled to walk everywhere when out from under my thumb. Some that I can barely keep alive are always walking by someone's house or roaming around community lots. :P Nina Caliente, with her third day waddle, was hanging out at the bowling alley with Coral Oldie it seems. They joined my sim's game. Two unknown townies played with us. I was a little confused because I thought teams only had four players. Maybe those two made up a second team that we were playing against? No timer or score pops up. I have no idea who won.

Though after seeing it in an episode of Malcolm In The Middle the other week it would also be neat to have an animation of a sim marching down to the end of the lane and lobbing a ball at the pins from 6" away ... and still missing! :D
They show Malcolm In The Middle in England? I like that show. They must have lazy bowling alley managers in Malcolm's town because they'd tackle you if you attempted to walk on the lanes here. I've taken tons of scout troops, school groups, and even coached a Special Olympic bowling team. The two times I attempted to sneak down a lane to retrieve a stalled ball they hollered at me over the loudspeaker. :o

[Mirelly]

Ooh. I tried to take a pregnant sim on date but being lazy her date chose to go to Dad's Throat Emporium (LOL ... its a tiny 2x2 community lot that serves as a general store, saloon bar with pool and poker and hubble bubble plus a wee twee bistro and coffee bar. 3 lady sims have conceived in that lot's photo booth!) Anyway she would leave home. Maybe I'll try to take the next one downtown ... or see if she'll go on her own.

Malcolm in the Middle is pretty good and sometimes it's so funny I end up with a pain in my side. :)

[Kristalrose]

Okay, okay, y'all got wayyyyy off topic here. :rolleyes:

So, what was this, Zy, about a train-wreck over at VariousSimmers? Dish, Dish!! :D I have been doing my fall cleaning and this is the 1st time I've sat down to Sim since last Thursday.

[zydeco]

So, what was this, Zy, about a train-wreck over at VariousSimmers? Dish, Dish!! :D I have been doing my fall cleaning and this is the 1st time I've sat down to Sim since last Thursday.
The thread is still there with a sticky. It's quite long. It can take a few hours to read it. I happened to catch the beginning and it filled my whole evening! LOL!

Rentchd discovered that Numenor has embedded into his CEP program...a copyright. English not being his or Quaxi's first language, it is worded so that it appears that every single object made using CEP is his and RGiles...and perhaps mts2's. All the modders on Variousimmers lost their ****. Delphy came on to defend Numenor, RGiles, Quaxi and mts2. According to Carrigon the world is now going to end. Rentchd lost a promotion because she used an object she made using CEP and the boss found the copyright...which made it seem she had scarfed someone else's work. A second something was going on. It seems that Inge was in a chat on mts2 and misunderstood something Delphy said in jest. Inge repeated it to the VS people and they got furious with Inge. I think while trying to be neutral she looked like she was switching sides all through the argument/debate. Apparently she doesn't have posting priveleges now. Pescado invited her into the "banned by rentech" club at MATY. At this time, Numenor has reworded the copyright for CEP and offered profuse apologies but if you don't want this in any objects you are making then you shouldn't use CEP. That dreadful "lawsuit" word kept popping up. There was a lot of discussion on shareware vs freeware and who should and shouldn't get credit. There was a lot of name calling, heated and foul language, and a window onto why so many left mts2 to begin with. It was absolutely riveting. :D (Note: This is my take on it and may be totally wrong.)

An attorney popped up on MATY and said that she'd followed this on Varioussimmers, MATY, and MTS2. In her opinion, what Numenor did was illegal in many states but that it was a lose/lose situation if litigated. She felt his sincere apology was enough. My opinion? Every single thing in the Sims2 world says "beta". Use at your own risk. It's not even in fine print. ;)

[Kristalrose]

Okayyyyyyy. So, were Numerator and Quaxi just trying to make sure the CEP was protected by copyright? You know, the differences in personalities of all the leading modders make it almost impossible for them all the co-exist peacefully. They are all very strong-willed, creative people, but because of that, they are just not going to get along for very long. LOL

Rentchd just likes throw her power around at VS, I think. :rolleyes: Poor Inge. She has a great site and a great repuation and doesn't need that crap. Rentchd about banned me over there for spouting off about Jack Thompson, and I haven't been back over there much except to directly answer a question someone asked me in an old thread.

Okay, sorry, I'm done gossiping about other forums. LOL I know that's not good manners. I apologize. Please return to your regular programming.:D

[zydeco]

I debated whether to answer you on the board. But since all other forums have discussed it, I thought that perhaps condensing that mamoth thread would be okay.

I, too, like Inge and appreciate her work. I learned a long time ago that putting three women in an office, club, or committee is asking for disaster. It's one of those petty games women play. Two gang up on one...over and over. Men get loud or physical and drop it. Women play intricate psychological games that cause hurt feelings forever. I'm not sure most women realize they do it. Being able to deflect it or play it is a survival skill among women. I learned a long time ago to watch for the one that initiates this. You either walk out before you're the target or turn it back on that individual. I think Inge became a target.

So, were Numerator and Quaxi just trying to make sure the CEP was protected by copyright? I'm not sure I understand all of this, to be honest. Other programmers said this was standard practice...particularly with programs that one shares for free. It sounded like Quaxi (with SimPE) and Numenor (with CEP) have had problems with others cloning these programs and claiming them as theirs. So if you have your name and copyright embedded somewhere within the program it's easier to prove that someone ripped off your hard work. Much like the way the auto industry hides serial numbers all over cars and their parts. Carrigon was concerned (and this is a mild word) that this ability could easily be used to inject a virus into programs. As I understood it, rentchd used the shortcut CEP provides for turning stuff on and off for modders when making her objects. She used her objects, to demonstrate her ability at work, claiming it was made completely by her. When her boss ripped it all apart to see her work he came across this copyright. (This was the first time she was aware this was hidden in CEP.) It appeared that the whole item was made by Numenor and RGiles due to the wording. To be fair, Rentchd did NOT credit them for their contribution in her work. Knowing that most modders wouldn't, is one reason that Numenor had the copyright embedded into his program. So...as it stands...every item made using CEP...prior to Numenor's rewording of the copyright...legally belongs to him. He could, in essence, demand a kickback from items on paysites. There is no way to recall millions of items downloaded into everyone's games. I was unaware that modders do not need CEP...it is simply a tool that makes modding easier by providing shortcuts for redundant and tedious steps. (Again, this is how I understood the "discussion" and could be wrong.)

Perhaps it is wrong to discuss others but these people have a lot of influence on the sim community. In the long run, they can make or break it. I think everyone is entitled to an opinion when it affects your game or the community as a whole. I do not like or dislike Rentchd. I know many women like her. I'm sure I share some of her traits. She is strong willed with tunnel vision. It's her way or the highway. Her tools are long wordy posts that sound calm and rational. They are really nothing more than a sledgehammer. It is an effective technique. I use it myself occasionally. ;)

[KatAnubis]

Rentchd discovered that Numenor has embedded into his CEP program...a copyright. English not being his or Quaxi's first language, it is worded so that it appears that every single object made using CEP is his and RGiles...and perhaps mts2's. (snip for space)
An attorney popped up on MATY and said that she'd followed this on Varioussimmers, MATY, and MTS2. In her opinion, what Numenor did was illegal in many states but that it was a lose/lose situation if litigated. She felt his sincere apology was enough. My opinion? Every single thing in the Sims2 world says "beta". Use at your own risk. It's not even in fine print. ;)

This is hilarious. According to the suits at Maxis, anyone trying to sue anyone regarding TS2 or any coding/intellectual property associated with it in any way (and I suspect that includes MATY, MTS2, etc) would find that it's *Maxis* who is the ultimate owner of it. They choose to let others play in their universe, but if it came down to legal crap going on, they would step in and say "it *all* belongs to us anyway so *everyone* has to drop their suits."

Sigh, it's such a shame that people can't give each other enough of a benefit of the doubt that they don't go bananas over this stuff.

[KatAnubis]

I learned a long time ago that putting three women in an office, club, or committee is asking for disaster. It's one of those petty games women play. Two gang up on one...over and over. Men get loud or physical and drop it. Women play intricate psychological games that cause hurt feelings forever. I'm not sure most women realize they do it. Being able to deflect it or play it is a survival skill among women. I learned a long time ago to watch for the one that initiates this. You either walk out before you're the target or turn it back on that individual. I think Inge became a target.

Interesting viewpoint, as I've found that in spite of what men claim, I've seen them play the same psychological games as women.

And as someone who has many times been part of the "women" on a committee, at least in the health care industry, we've had *fewer* problems than the males on the committee.

I suspect that it's pretty equal and just depends on the viewpoints of the people involved as to who is "ganging up."

[tinny2]

Has anyone managed to get two sims to play anything resembling a complete game? I am not asking for help or a how do I? I am just curious cos from where I sit after several failed attempts to use the bowling lanes I conclude they are too buggy to work properly. If someone claims to have succeeded I'll keep at it but right now I wanna just leave them alone.
youre not the only one icant iver

[person123]

Please don't resurrect old threads. This one was made in October last year.

[suitemichelle]

well it's kind of catch 22, isn't it. A new reader may have questions mentioned in an old thread and revive it. Or start a new one and be berated for not searching the old thread.;)

[Lynet]

LOL, Michelle, that's so true. In this case, however, I think Tinny2 was just saying, "Me, too," which is a silly reason for digging up old news. (This thread sure has a neat title, though.)

And Tinny! Goodness gracious, Dear. Buy a dictionary and use it. Or go to the one online: http://dictionary.reference.com/ Is "iver" a word? What does it mean? Don't answer that here. :)

[person123]

Yes, I had no idea what Tinny was trying to say, but it didn't look like a question...so time to break out the Rebuking Hat. Might as well be a moderator.

It's kind of weird that I get so outraged when members do something immature. Maybe it's just because, after two years at WorldSims, the rules have been ingrained into my mind so thoroughly that I can't bear for anyone to break them.